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Various Character builds?

#1 Post by The Peacemaker »

So what are the various character builds?
I'm mostly interested in upper tier combos but feel free to post niche builds as well.

Anyone got a good build for a Fris Fenix character? Make use of that strikes last aura?

What are the various Prince or Archmage(which spells) builds on mounts?

What are the various foot builds.

And with a big dragon, is it worth it to spend most wargear points on defense or offense? I think a 2+/5+/5++ is probably too much defense unless your opponent gas got 2 bombards and 2 trebs.

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I'm coming from Empire which is a pretty bad book where your characters need to be mounted or don't bother taking them.
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#2 Post by TyrrenAzureblade »

The big anti-monster build is a lv.4 Illusion Archmage mounted on either a Phoenix or Dragon equipped with the Dragon Slaying Sword or mounted on a Chariot (Tiranoc, Lion or Skycutter) to nullify the effects of any Monster Slayer or Killing Blow weapons it may run into, equipped with The White Sword. Both with a Lore Familiar to make sure you can pick Spectral Doppelganger for one of your spells. The White Sword build is very much a glass cannon as it's a 70 point weapon, and the familiar is 30 points, so you forego all of the defensive items.

The defensive Lord build would be a Prince on Star Dragon with Full Plate, a shield, and the Dragon Helm for a 2+ armour save, Talisman of Protection (or alternately the Armor of Caledor if you need the talisman on your mage), and a Seed of Rebirth for the vaunted 2+/5++/5+++, and whatever weapon you can buy with the points leftover. The more offensive version would probably start with an Ogre Blade, Full Plate, shield, Dragon Helm and a Seed of Rebirth. This however leaves you without a ward, but keeps you at a 2+ armour save. I would personally go with the Blood of Caledor honour for the additional WS if you intend on fighting other dragon lords with it, but you'll have to be careful with Impetuous.
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#3 Post by Morgen »

Just so it's said, high elf mages can't ride Tiranoc chariots. I don't know /why/ they're not on the list but for some reason they aren't.

I like a high elf mage with Blood of Caledor, a barded steed and battle magic in a unit of dragon princes. Hammerhanding and being roughly still equivalent to the dragon prince you replaced in the unit at WS 5. It seems like it'd be fun.
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#4 Post by alagomar »

I am looking to try out an infantry build here soon for a "Slayer" type Noble.

138 points: Noble, Warden of Saphery, Dragon Slaying Sword, Sword of Hoeth, Full Plate Armor, Shield.

He has Killing Blow and Monster Slayer, so with 3 attacks, he is just fishing for 6s to Wound. Then he also has a 3+ save when up against monsters and Strikes First to try and get the jump on whatever he is up against.

Other than that, running the tanky Prince on Star Dragon build and a noble on Griffon in some lists as well.
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alagomar wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 11:00 pm I am looking to try out an infantry build here soon for a "Slayer" type Noble.

138 points: Noble, Warden of Saphery, Dragon Slaying Sword, Sword of Hoeth, Full Plate Armor, Shield.

He has Killing Blow and Monster Slayer, so with 3 attacks, he is just fishing for 6s to Wound. Then he also has a 3+ save when up against monsters and Strikes First to try and get the jump on whatever he is up against.

Other than that, running the tanky Prince on Star Dragon build and a noble on Griffon in some lists as well.
I'm not sure you'll get the chance to use your Sword of Hoeth, as you have a magical weapon. It is not clear if Sword of Hoeth is meant to be a magical weapon but it's not listed as one and as you have a magic weapon equipped, you have to use that one sadly.
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#6 Post by alagomar »

Pash wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 3:03 pm I'm not sure you'll get the chance to use your Sword of Hoeth, as you have a magical weapon. It is not clear if Sword of Hoeth is meant to be a magical weapon but it's not listed as one and as you have a magic weapon equipped, you have to use that one sadly.
That's a good point, I was looking only at the multiple weapon profiles section:

"More Than One Combat Weapon
Many models carry two or more combat weapons, giving them a choice of which to use upon entering the fray: • If a unit is equipped with two or more combat weapons, you must choose which it will use when its combat is chosen during Step 1.1 of the Choose & Fight Combat sub-phase."

not at the Magic Weapons section:

"A character that wields a magic weapon cannot set it aside to use a mundane equivalent. For example, a character cannot set aside a magic combat weapon to use a mundane great weapon instead."

I suppose the "Fishing for 6's" still applies, but that does overall make the build less attractive as non-6's to wound are hitting at S4 AP0. The Prince with White Sword build could work, but that is way less points efficient.
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alagomar wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:56 pm
Pash wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 3:03 pm I'm not sure you'll get the chance to use your Sword of Hoeth, as you have a magical weapon. It is not clear if Sword of Hoeth is meant to be a magical weapon but it's not listed as one and as you have a magic weapon equipped, you have to use that one sadly.
That's a good point, I was looking only at the multiple weapon profiles section:

"More Than One Combat Weapon
Many models carry two or more combat weapons, giving them a choice of which to use upon entering the fray: • If a unit is equipped with two or more combat weapons, you must choose which it will use when its combat is chosen during Step 1.1 of the Choose & Fight Combat sub-phase."

not at the Magic Weapons section:

"A character that wields a magic weapon cannot set it aside to use a mundane equivalent. For example, a character cannot set aside a magic combat weapon to use a mundane great weapon instead."

I suppose the "Fishing for 6's" still applies, but that does overall make the build less attractive as non-6's to wound are hitting at S4 AP0. The Prince with White Sword build could work, but that is way less points efficient.
Sounds like White Sword might just be your answer. Screw points efficiency, go for the fun toys! :lol:
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#8 Post by Csjarrat »

Worth noting that bedazzling helm now restricted to infantry and cavalry in the latest faq. Probably hurts us less given that we have dragon helm to get to 2+ saves but if you were using it on a dragon/chariot mounted prince/noble you'll need to change your build
an interesting variation on my usual playstyle, which is 'charge forward, forward for the love of khaine, we can fight better than any of them and they can't shoot into melee why is our armor so thin ohgodcannons'
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#9 Post by NHB »

The Shadow Prince:
Prince [252pts]: Hand Weapon, Shield, Light Armour, General, Armour of Silvered Steel, Reaver Bow, Seed of Rebirth, Shadow Stalker
+3 pts for Halberd to ensure Strikes First or
+4 pts for GW for more power @I6


or


The Lion Prince:
Prince on Lion Chariot, Full Plate, Shield

Dragon Helm
Seed of Rebirth
White Sword

373 Pts

Gives on Charge
@I10: D6 Impact Hits S5 AP-2
@I10 4x WS7 S7 AP-2 (Monster Slayer, Magical Attacks)
@I7 5x WS5 S4
@I5 2x WS5 S6 AP-3

He also has Move through Cover which sounds super strong and Stubborn, even if the White Sword gets "Unmade" you still have a CGB. with +2S and AP-3
2+ 3+ in CC 5++ (seed) or 2++ first wound (Opal)
coming in at T4 and W7

I wonder if taking this build will mean to auto include 10 ish Shadow Warriors too.
Skirmishers can block line of sight if placed carefully except for Large Targets, but those couldn't complete a charge into the Chariot, if you elect to stand & shoot or hold. So, no shooting against the Lion Prince, except for templates and bouncing Cannonballs I guess. And no charging against him either.

With Chariot Runner, Evasive, Feigned Fleight and Fire and Flee, potentially a lot of shenanigans can be had.
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#10 Post by Csjarrat »

Move through cover doesn't apply to the mount now in the newest faq
an interesting variation on my usual playstyle, which is 'charge forward, forward for the love of khaine, we can fight better than any of them and they can't shoot into melee why is our armor so thin ohgodcannons'
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#11 Post by NHB »

Csjarrat wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:09 am Move through cover doesn't apply to the mount now in the newest faq
Where do you see that? I couldn't find it.
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#12 Post by Csjarrat »

NHB wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:18 am
Csjarrat wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:09 am Move through cover doesn't apply to the mount now in the newest faq
Where do you see that? I couldn't find it.
States that elven honours only apply to the elf, not their mount.
Chracian hunter gives move through cover so he'd get the benefit on foot but not when mounted
an interesting variation on my usual playstyle, which is 'charge forward, forward for the love of khaine, we can fight better than any of them and they can't shoot into melee why is our armor so thin ohgodcannons'
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#13 Post by Tusk »

Move through cover doesnt matter it doesnt negate the charging through cover situation where you pick the lowest
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#14 Post by NHB »

Csjarrat wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 11:21 am
NHB wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:18 am
Csjarrat wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:09 am Move through cover doesn't apply to the mount now in the newest faq
Where do you see that? I couldn't find it.
States that elven honours only apply to the elf, not their mount.
Chracian hunter gives move through cover so he'd get the benefit on foot but not when mounted
Ah true. Thanks
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Tusk wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 12:03 pm Move through cover doesnt matter it doesnt negate the charging through cover situation where you pick the lowest
Yeah, good point. I only copied the post for the Prince from a post I made very early days of Old World.
The build itself still looks mean though :)
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#16 Post by alagomar »

While I don't think it is nearly as competitive as a Pure of Heart character on a monstrous mount, the Warden of Saphery honour does enable a pair of niche builds that could be fun.

One Punch Man: Noble that is fishing for 6's to Wound with both Killing Blow and Monster Slayer. Strikes first which is a big leg up on whatever you are trying to kill in one fell swoop.
- 136 Noble, Warden of Saphery, Dragon Slaying Sword, Full Plate

DoppleMager: Mage with a Sword of Hoeth and the Lore Familiar to select Spectral Doppleganger from the Lore of Illusion. Casts 82% of the time, for 2d6 hits (+1 WS 4 mage attack), S5, AP-2, Magical attacks. Besides adding dispel capability and your choice of one other other Illusion/Saphery spell, it adds a huge punch to the infantry block.
- 150 Mage, Level 2 Wizard, Warden of Saphery, Sword of Hoeth, Lore Familiar
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#17 Post by Houdini »

NHB wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 5:22 am
Tusk wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 12:03 pm Move through cover doesnt matter it doesnt negate the charging through cover situation where you pick the lowest
Yeah, good point. I only copied the post for the Prince from a post I made very early days of Old World.
The build itself still looks mean though :)
I tried the exact build in a recent Battle Rep I posted here. It is certainly good fun and did a job for me in that particular game. Though I have adjusted to taking the Ogre Blade and a shield to have a more versatile weapon and 2+ armour all the time.

On the note of the Dragon Slaying Noble mentioned. I personally am going to try him on a Griffon to apply the charge/counter charge range threat to the big monsters, but also provide some support charging against other units.
This is the build I’m going to utilise in future lists.
Noble: Pure of Heart, Dragon Slayer Sword, Griffon, Full Plate Armour, Shield.
Paired with the Lion Chariot Prince I think you can create enough threat to other characters.
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#18 Post by Sea Helm Jeff »

Any other ideas for a Prince/Noble on Griffon? I sadly don't own a Dragon yet. The Dragon Slayer Sword build is certainly interesting, makes him into a monster hunter.


On another note, I've been enjoying a Chracian Hunter Noble on foot with a magic weapon of choice (non-Strike Last) to help thin out enemies before the rest of the White Lions strike. Loremaster's Cloak if you're feeling extra spicy.
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#19 Post by Pash »

Just member folks that weapons given by honours are mundane and cannot be selected if you have a magic weapon, such as a Dragon Slaying Sword. Sorry.
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