Two List Ideas - Advice Desired

[Sythren]

Hey all, I'm making some lists for obvious reasons and I want some feedback on item ideas from everybody, specifically for my heroes obviously. I'm considering a couple different options for my Prince on Star Dragon, most specifically I'm waffling between:

1. Dragon Helm, Seed of Rebirth, and Ogre Blade OR
2. Armour of Caledor, Seed of Rebirth, and Luckstone

The idea being that one is killy and one is a more classic "tin-can" Elf, the hope obviously being that he never dies at T6, W9, 3+RR1's/5++/5++. The drawbacks to this being that although he's still a prince on a dragon his ultimate output of damage is smaller. If I go this route I'd probably equip him with either a lance or great weapon, which I'm currently unsure of but would like to hear your opinion on which is better. Obviously with the great weapon the armor save goes to a weaker 4+ and a loss of ASF, but the lance gives armourbane and access to the shield at the cost of being a lance.
The killier option, option #1 is obviously still hard to kill with T6, W9, 2+/6++/5++ but the added benefit of the Ogre Blade.

So on a dragon, which one do you all think is generally better?

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Dragon Elves [1999 pts]
Warhammer: The Old World, High Elf Realms
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++ Characters [993 pts] ++

Prince [532 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Light armour (Blood of Caledor gives free Full-Plate)
- Shield
- Star Dragon
- Ogre Blade
- Dragon Helm
- Seed of Rebirth
- Blood of Caledor

Archmage [275 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Sword of Hoeth
- Upgrade to Level 4
- On foot
- Lore Familiar
- Seed of Rebirth
- Cloak of Beards
- Warden of Saphery
- High Magic

Noble [186 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Sword of Hoeth
- Full plate armour
- Battle Standard Bearer
- War Banner
- On foot
- Seed of Rebirth
- Talisman of Protection
- Warden of Saphery

++ Core Units [548 pts] ++

28 Elven Spearmen [415 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Thrusting spears
- Light armour
- Shields
- Shieldwall
- Veteran
- Sentinel (champion)
- Standard bearer
- Musician
- 10 Elven Archers (Hand weapons + Longbows + Light armour)

5 Ellyrian Reavers [113 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Cavalry spears
- Hooves (counts as a hand weapon)
- Light armour
- Shortbows
- Scouts
- Skirmishes
- Harbinger (champion)

++ Special Units [298 pts] ++

20 Swordmasters of Hoeth [318 pts]
- Sword of Hoeth
- Heavy armour
- Bladelord
- Standard bearer
- Musician
- Drilled

++ Rare Units [160 pts] ++

Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower [80 pts]

Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower [80 pts]

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ARMY TWO:

Primarily for when friends don't wanna face a dragon, but also considering this as a semi-competitive list, do you think it would have a chance at all? The core ideas are the same, but a bit different. Also, thinking about the BSB, since Swordmasters already have Magic Resistance -1, is the Banner of Arcane Protection overkill and should I go with the Battle Banner? My only worry with that Swordmaster unit at this point is running into heavy shooting or a Chaos Lord on Dragon, otherwise I think it's probably one of the killiest and more survivable units (partly due to ability to just commit straight up murder) that I've considered running so far that isn't 8th Edition Teclis with a block of 40 Phoenix Guard and Banner of the World Dragon BSB.

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High Elves 2000 [1997 pts]
Warhammer: The Old World, High Elf Realms
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++ Characters [717 pts] ++

Prince [241 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Full plate Armor
- Shield
- Barded Elven Steed
- Seed of Rebirth
- Ogre Blade
- Pure of Heart

Archmage [275 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Sword of Hoeth
- Upgrade to Level 4
- On foot
- Seed of Rebirth
- Cloak of Beards
- Lore Familiar
- Warden of Saphery
- High Magic

Noble [201 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Sword of Hoeth
- Full plate Armor
- Battle Standard Bearer
- Banner of Arcane Protection
- On foot
- Seed of Rebirth
- Warden of Saphery

++ Core Units [787 pts] ++

35 Lothern Sea Guard [512 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Thrusting spears
- Warbows
- Light armour
- Shields
- Veteran
- Sea Master (champion)
- Standard bearer
- Razor Standard
- Musician

6 Silver Helms [162 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Lances
- Hooves (counts as a hand weapon)
- Heavy armour
- Barding
- Shields
- High Helm (champion)
- Standard bearer
- Musician

5 Ellyrian Reavers [113 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Cavalry spears
- Hooves (counts as a hand weapon)
- Light armour
- Shortbows
- Scouts
- Skirmishes
- Harbinger (champion)

++ Special Units [333 pts] ++

21 Swordmasters of Hoeth [333 pts]
- Sword of Hoeth
- Heavy armour
- Drilled
- Bladelord
- Standard bearer
- Musician

++ Rare Units [160 pts] ++

Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower [80 pts]

Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower [80 pts]

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[Morgen]

Wow, those are some nice big infantry blocks! I'd be interested to see how both lists play.

[Bolt Thrower]

For Army 2, I do wonder how it will go when facing a big monster on the other side. From what I have seen/read (no actual game experience yet) it is hard for infantry to peel off enough wounds to be effective.

I wonder if you can reduce some of the core to squeeze in a phoenix? Maintains the “no dragon” for friendly games but also adds a monster that needs to be considered.