Seredain wrote:First off, your wolf riders look great. Lovely paint job.
Thank you!
Seredain wrote:I'm pretty boar ignorant about greenskins
I see what you did there.
Seredain wrote:I'm not sure what the wolf riders do in their role as flanking unit.
Neither am I, I just like them. Gitilla is basically a goblin hero but as mentioned he gives the unit BS4 and Quick to Fire. His unit can also re-roll Pursuit and Flee dice. He has a weak magic bow. Panic is a problem but they should pass just under 60% of the time and they have good chances to Rally.
Seredain wrote:A first question is whether you are intending to field the Big Uns as deeper leadership bunker instead of a horde?
TBH I've never even considered running them as a Horde, I can think of one situation so far where that
might have been a good idea. I fully agree that at 3000 5-wide is the way to go.
Seredain wrote: You're right that your list has "just about enough" war machines at 2.4-2.5K, but I think at 3K you will struggle if the board is flooded with large threats, as I think we expect
Yes, the unpalatable truth. I don't like having lots of war machines, I can probably at least improve the quality of those I have.
Seredain wrote:Another couple of cheap fast cav units might also be helpful, to protect your machines and prevent your core three units getting swamped. Board control is something you don't have a lot of, right now
Fair point.
Seredain wrote:And maybe upgrade the lord to a black orc for the extra weapon skill?
Again this is kind of because my BSB model (Black Orc) is bigger than my Lord! But I feel that having the BSB as a BO works nicely. He comes with WS 6 and Armed to da Teef. He also Quells Animosity. I kind of like having a Magic Weapon on the Lord and given that, I'd be paying 45pts essentially for one point of WS. Maybe I should try harder with their builds.
Seredain wrote:I like the idea of getting an orc shaman to carry the scroll too. But a good other option would be to take a night goblin bunker with fanatics and/or nets, and take a couple of NG hero-shamans in there to carry the scroll and maybe a channelling staff. Extra channels and mushroom dice (still a thing?) could be clutch, and it opens the earthing rod slot you need on your level 4.
The feel of my army is kind of 'basic' O&G, so no Savage Orcs, Forest Goblins etc.. Also, I have 20 bog standard goblins painted. So I could field a unit of 30 of these with a Scroll Shaman. Much as I dislike pure bunkers I do see the utility. Goblin magic has a couple of very handy 12" buffs which could work from behind my centre.
Seredain wrote: I would think twice about mounting a shaman on a wolf. He'd be safer behind your main line. Since you'll be marching that up anyway into the thick of it, I doubt he'll struggle for targets. If he runs with the wolf riders he probably rewards your opponent too much for killing or panicking them - which isn't too hard. Is the shaman fast cav when on a wolf? If not then I definitely wouldn't do it.
He is. Running him as a Lvl 2 would at least reduce my risk. Two goblin spells are 24" Hexes, not ideal from a rear bunker but perhaps workable. But the MM and the Vortex would definitely be better mobile.
Seredain wrote:Got a first draft 3K list for us?
Yep:
Orc Warboss, Basha's Axe, Charmed Shield, 4+ Ward 215
Orc Lvl 4, 5+ Ward, Earthing Rod, Crown of Command 290
Black Orc BSB, 4+ Ward Armour 165
Goblin Lvl 2, Dispel Scroll 115
Goblin Lvl 2, Wolf, Shielding Scroll, Ruby Ring 142
27 Big'Uns, FC, Shields, +1 Ld Standard 293
10 Archers, Musician 80
10 Archers, Musician 80
9 Wolf Riders, FC, Spear, Shortbow, Shield 147
30 Goblins, FC, Shortbow, Shield 150
9 Trolls 315
9 Trolls 315
2 Bolt Shooters 70
2 Mangler Squigs 130
2 Stone Throwers 170
Doom Diver 80
4 Beasts of Nurgle 240
2997pts
I'm not sure the Beasts will be allowed as Allies but they were last time. I could simply buy more Trolls but the Beasts are more flexible. For example I can run them in a single rank in front of the main block, very few things will get through them in one round. They can also defend it's flank for a while or spearhead an attack with Swiftstride. At this stage I'm just throwing stuff at the wall really and seeing what sticks!