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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 9:52 am 
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Chaos Dwarfs Sample Army Lists

We expect Chaos Dwarfs to largely be the same cookie-cutter with a few variants: Iron Daemon over K`daii, Chalice + Hashut over Death + scroll etc. The variants are so small however that from a matchup perspective it usually doesn't matter too much.

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Sorceror-Prophet 375.0 Pts
General; Magic Level 4; Lore of Death; Blackshard Armour
Enchanted Shield Talisman of Preservation Earthing Rod

2x Hobgoblin Khan 60.0 Pts
Spear; Throwing Knifes; Light Armour Giant Wolf
Infernal Castellan 210.0 Pts
GreatWeapon; Battle Standard Armour of Bazherak the Cruel Dawn Stone
Deamonsmith Sorceror 160.0 Pts
Magic Level 2; Lore of Death; EnsorcelledWeapons; Blackshard Armour
Charmed Shield Dispel Scroll
Deamonsmith Sorceror 110.0 Pts
Magic Level 1; Lore of Fire; Ensorcelled Weapons; Blackshard Armour
Scroll of Shielding

27 Chaos Dwarf Infernal Guard 437.0 Pts
GreatWeapon; Blackshard Armour; Shield; Full Command
2x20 Hobgoblin Cutthroats 104.0 Pts
Normal Bow; Light Armour; Musician

Magma Cannon 145.0 Pts
Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher 100.0 Pts
Hellcannon 210.0 Pts
K'daai Destroyer 325.0 Pts
Total Army Cost: 2400.0

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Daemons of Chaos Sample Army Lists

Many people claim Daemons are overcomped now. We don't know what builds will surface as popular (if any!), but the following has performed well recently and we believe most variants will largely look like this:

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Great Unclean One 580
Level 4 wizard
Greater gift
Greater gift
Lore of Nurgle

Heroes
Herald of Tzeench 125
Level 2 wizard
Lore of Tzeench

Core
10 Horrors 130
10 Horrors 130
25 Plaguebearers 360
Banner,Musican
Banner of Swiftness

Special
4 Beasts of Nurgle 240
1 Beast of Nurgle 60
1 Beast of Nurgle 60

5 Flesh Hounds of Khorne 165
Ambushers
5 Flesh Hounds of Khorne 165
Ambushers

2 Nurgling Swarms 80

Rare
Skull Cannon of Khorne 135
3 Plague Drones 165
Sum 2395

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Dark Elves Sample Army Lists

We expect Dark Elves to either bring a shooty-msu-mobile list, or a Witchstar variant.

MSU Shooting wrote:
Dreadlord, Dark steed, heavy armour, seadragon cloak, shield, Giant blade, Dawnstone, The
other tricksters shard - 277
Supreme Sorceress, lvl 4, Death, Ring of hotek, Dispel scroll - 295

Master, Pegasus, BSB, heavy armour, seadragon cloak, lance, Charmed shield, Talisman of
preservation - 211
Master, Pegasus, seadragon cloak, shield, lance, Armour of destiny - 184
Master, Pegasus, heavy armour, seadragon cloak, shield, lance, Cloak of twilight - 188

5 Dark Riders, X-bows, shields - 100
10 Dark Riders, X-bows, shields - 200
25 Darkshards, FC, Banner of eternal flame - 340

5 Harpies - 75
Bolt thrower - 70
Bolt thrower - 70
Bolt thrower - 70
Bolt thrower - 70

5 Warlocks - 125
5 Warlocks - 125
Totalt: 2400


Witchstar wrote:
Dreadlord, Heavy Armour, Sea Dragon Cloak, Giant Blade, Enchanted Shield, Crown of Command (General) - 254pts
Supreme Sorceress on Dark Pegasus, Lvl4 Life, Cloak of Twilight, Dispel Scroll - 345pts
Master, Heavy Armour, Shield, Sea Dragon Cloak, Ring of Hotek (BSB) - 157pts
Death Hag on Cauldron of Blood, Rune of Khaine, Sword of Anti-Heroes - 345pts
Characters = 1101pts

34 Witch Elves, Full Command, Razor Standard - 449pts
5 Dark Riders - 80pts
5 Dark Riders - 80pts
Core = 609pts

4 Reaper Bolt Throwers - 280pts
5 Shades - 80pts
5 Shades - 80pts
Special = 440pts

5 Doomfire Warlocks - 125pts
5 Doomfire Warlocks - 125pts
Rare = 250pts

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Dwarfs Sample Army Lists

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1 Thane@ 141.0 Pts General; GreatWeapon; Gromril Armour Fiery Ring of Thori Master Rune of Gromril Rune of the Furnace
Thane@188.0 Pts Gromril Armour; Shield; Battle Standard Master Rune of Grungni Rune of Stoicism
Runesmith@138.0 Pts Gromril Armour; Shield Rune of Spellbreaking Rune of Fire X 2
Runesmith@113.0 Pts Gromril Armour; Shield Rune of Stone Rune of Spellbreaking X 2

23 Longbeards@ 364.0 Pts
Heavy Armour; Shield; Full command Rune of Stoicism
23 Longbeards@ 329.0 Pts
Heavy Armour; Shield; Full command

25 Hammerers@380.0 Pts
GreatWeapon; Heavy Armour; Full command
2x1 Gyrocopter @100.0 Pts 1/2 Vanguard; Steam Gun
1 Gyrocopter@ 80.0 Pts Steam Gun

1 Organ Gun@ 170.0 Pts Rune of Accuracy Rune of Forging
1 Cannon@150.0 Pts Rune of Burning Rune of Forging
1 Cannon@145.0 Pts Rune of Forging
Total Army Cost: 2398.0

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Empire Sample Army Lists

Empire lists seemingly inevitably boil down to Light + Demis + Cannons, with core added to taste. Some lists feature a secondary L4 with Heavens, some have buffcarts, some have HBVGs. The core is the same though.

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Total Roster Cost: 2399
Arch Lector (1#, 189 pts) – General
Great Weapon Heavy Armour Obsidian Lodestone, Crown of Command,
Wizard Lord (1#, 215 pts) – Lore of Light
Level 4 sceptre of Stability

Battle Wizard (1#, 90 pts) – Lore of Light
Dispel Scroll, 25 pts
Battle Wizard (1#, 65 pts) – Lore of Light
Captain of the Empire (1#, 108 pts)
Battle Standard Bearer Full Plate Armour Shield Battle Standard Bearer
Standard of Discipline,
Captain of the Empire (2#, 143 pts)
Full Plate Armour Shield Imperial Pegasus, Sword of Striking, Dragonhelm, Luckstone,
Master Engineer (1#, 65 pts)

39 Halberdiers, 270 Full command
19 [Det] Halberdiers, 114 pts
19 [Det] Halberdiers, 114 pts
10 Archers, 70 pts
5 [Det] Archers, 35 pts

Demigryph Knights (3#, 174 pts)
Demigryph Knights (4#, 257 pts)
Musicant standard Gleaming Pennant, 5 pts

1 Great Cannon, 120 pt
Helblaster Volley Gun, 120 pts
Steam Tank, 250 pts

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High Elves Sample Army Lists

We expect to encounter mainly 1 of 3 types of High Elf lists: Star Dragon, Cavstar, Coven of Light. Perhaps a list or two of PG + WL + either shooting or Loremaster (or both!) will surface as well.

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Prince on Star Dragon: General, Shield, Star Lance, Dragonhelm, Golden Crown of Atrazar, The other
Trickster's Shard, 598

Noble on Ithilmar Barded Elven Steed: BSB, Lance, Heavy Armour, Shield, Banner of the World Dragon, 172
Noble on Ithilmar Barded Elven Steed: Lance, Heavy Armour, Enchanted Shield, Luckstone, Crown of Command, 140
Mage on Elven Steed: Level 2, High Magic, Dispel Scroll, 155
Mage on Elven Steed: Level 2, High Magic, 130

18 Silver Helms: FCG, Shield, 444
2x 5 Ellyrian Reavers: Champion, Bow Swaps, 95

4x 1 Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower: 70
1 Great Eagle: 50
1 Frostheart Phoenix: 240
Total: 2399


Cavstar wrote:
Prince on Barded Elven Steed: General, Dragon Armour, Shield, Giant Blade, Dragonhelm, Dawnstone, 285
Archmage on Elven Steed: Level 4, High, Crown of Command, Dispel Scroll, 300

Noble on Barded Elven Steed: BSB, Dragon Armour, Sword of Might, Enchanted Shield, Luckstone, Potion of Strength, 170
Noble on Barded Elven Steed: Dragon Armour, Star Lance, Charmed Shield, Golden Crown of Atrazar, Potion of Foolhardiness, 145

2x 5 Ellyrian Reavers: Bow for Spear, 85
2x 15 Archers: Musician, 160
10 Archers: Musician, 110

11 Dragon Princes: FCG, Banner of the World Dragon, 399

1 Frostheart Phoenix: 240
2x 1 Repeater Bolt Thrower: 70
5 Sisters of Averlorn: 70
1 Great Eagle: 50
Total: 2399


Coven of Light wrote:
Loremaster of Hoeth: General, Level 2, Heavy Armour, Great weapon, Earthing Rod, Sword of Anti-heroes, Shield of Merwyrm, 300
Archmage: Level 4, Light, Dispel Scroll, Ironcurse Icon, MR2 280
Mage: Level 1, Light, 85
Lothern Seahelm: BSB, Shield, Spear, Light Armour, Standard of Discipline 140

10 Achers: Musician 110
23 Achers: Musician, Standard, 250
3x 5 Ellerion Reavers: 80
28 White Lions: FCG, Banner of World Dragon, 444

1 Frostheart Phoenix: 240
2x 1 Great Eagle: 50
3x 1 Eagle Claw Bolt Throwers: 70
Total: 2399

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Lizardmen Sample Army Lists

We expect Lizards to come in one of two flavours, either with an aggressive cavalrybus or with a slann-list. The latter can be evasive with lots of shooting, or have a block for the Slann.

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Saurus Oldblood: Armor Of Desteny; Crown Of Comand; Luck Stone; Cold One; great weapon. 266
Saurus Oldblood: Talesman Of Preservasion; Glittering Scales; The Egg Of Quango; Cold One; great weapon. 276

Saurus Scar-Veteran: Dawn Stone; Dragonhelm; Cold One; great weapon; light armour; Battle Standard. 170
Skink Priest: Dispel Scroll; Level 2 Wizard heavens.125
Skink Priest: Cube of Darkness; Level 2 Wizard heanvens. 130
Skink Chief: Etchanted Shield; Warrior Bane; Dragon Bane Gem; Terradon;
spear; light armour. 94
Skink Chief: Terradon. 75

10 Skink Skirmishers 70
10 Skink Skirmishers 70
10 Skink Skirmishers 70
10 Skink Skirmishers 70
21 Skinks: Musician. 115
21 Skinks: Musician. 115
18 Skinks: Musician. 100

3 Terradon Riders: 3× flame javlin. 108
8 Cold One Cavalry: Champion; Musician; Standard Bearer. 270
5 Chameleon Skinks 65
5 Chameleon Skinks 65
5 Chameleon Skinks 65
1 Salamander Hunting Pack 80
2 399 points


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Life Slann, 3D6 channeling on 5+, save DD => PD, re-roll one failed dispel roll per turn

Heavens Skink, scroll
Heavens Skink, special scroll
Saurus on Cold One, S7 1+
Saurus on Cold One, S7 1+ 4++
Skink on Terradon

3 Skink blocks with Javelins and Shields (roughly 20 in size)
4 Skink skirmishing units with Javelins (roughly 12 in size)

Temple Guard with Razor Standard
Bastiladon

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Ogre Kingdoms Sample Army Lists

We expect Ogres to come in one of two flavours: Characterstar with tough characters and mournfang, or a shooty list with lots of Leadbelchers, Maneaters with poisoned guns and double Ironblasters.

Shooty Ogres wrote:
Heroes (575pts)
Bruiser (170pts) General Great Weapon, Heavy Armour Ironcurse Icon,Talisman of Preservation
Bruiser (191pts) Battle Standard Bearer, Great Weapon Armour of Destiny
Firebelly (214pts) Great Weapon, Wizard Level 2 Dispel Scroll, Ruby Ring of Ruin

Core (610pts)
3x10x Gnoblars (25pts)
9 Ironguts (432pts) Full command Standard of Discipline
3 Ogres (103pts) Bellower Additional Hand Weapon

8 Leadbelchers (364pts) Bellower, Champion
7 Maneaters (444pts) Bellower, Poisoned Attacks , Stubborn A Brace of Ogre Pistols, Light Armour
3xSabretusk (21pts)

2xIronblaster (170 pts)
Total: 2396 pts


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Tyrant: General, Fencer's Blades, Glittering Scales, Dragonbane Gem, 275
Slaughtermaster: Level 4, Beast, Great Weapon, Dispel Scroll, Ironcurse Icon, 325

Bruiser: BSB, Look-Out Gnoblar, Great Weapon, Rune Maw Banner, 206
Bruiser: Great Weapon, Heavy Armour, Talisman of Preservation, 165
Butcher: Level 1, Great Maw, Great Weapon, Armour of Destiny, 159

13 Ogres: FCG, Iron Fist, 446
5 Ogres: Musician, 160
3x 1 Sabretusk Pack, 21
5 Mournfang Cavalry: FCG, Iron Fist, Heavy Armour, Dragonhide Banner, 430
Ironblaster: 170
Total: 2399

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Orcs and Goblins Sample Army Lists

We expect OnG lists to have multiple mages, Black Orc general, infantry units, trolls and war machines. The following list is very generic as such:

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Black Orc Warbossl; Heavy Armour, Crown of Command, Talisman of Preservation, Dragonhelm, 250
Savage Orc Great Shaman, Magic Level 4, Lucky Shrunken Head, Obsidian Lodestone, 300

Savage Orc Big Boss, Great Weapon; Battle Standard, Standard of Discipline, 119
Savage Orc Shaman, Magic Level 1, Dispel Scroll, The Terrifying Mask of EEE!, 120
Goblin Big Boss, Light Armour, Dragonbane Gem, Charmed Shield, Shrieking Blade, Wolf, 69

35 Savage Big 'Uns, Second Choppa, FC, 420
52 Night Goblins, Netters; FC, 231

11 Trolls, 385
7 Trolls, 245

Rock Lobber,85
Rock Lobber,85
Doom Diver, 80
Doom Diver, 80
Mangler Squig, 65
Mangler Squig, 65

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Skaven Sample Army Lists

Skaven lists usually boil down to a single choice: is the Grey Seer mounted on a Bell or not? The most common build seems to be the Bell, with the alternative being 2x Grey Seer.

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Grey Seer on Screaming Bell: General, Level 4, Plague/Ruin, Fencers Blade, Scroll of Shielding, Dragonbane Gem, Skalm, 525

Assassin: Weeping Blade, Potion of Strength, 170
Chieftain: BSB, War banner, Great Weapon, 99
Chieftain: Shadow Magnet Trinket, Charmed Shield, 80
Warlock Engineer: Level 1, Ruin, Dispel Scroll, 90
Warlock Engineer: Level 1, Ruin, Doom Rocket, 95
Warlock Engineer: Brass Orb, 65

40 Stormvermin: FCG, Champion: Warplock Pistol, Grand Banner of Clan Superiority, 343
3x 40 Skaven Slaves: Champion, Musician, 86
5 Giant Rats: Packmaster, 23

2x 9 Gutter Runners: Slings, Poison, 162
1 Hellpit Abomination: 235
1 Warplighting Cannon: 90
Total: 2397

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Tomb Kings Sample Army Lists

We expect Tomb Kings to bring one of two types of lists: Death with lots of Sphinxes or Coven of Light with lots of shooting.

Death + Sphinxes wrote:
Liche High Priest: lvl4, Nehekara, Scepter of stability = 225
Liche High Priest: lvl4, Death, Dispel Scroll = 235

28 Archers: champ, musi = 188
10 Archers = 60
10 Archers = 60
10 Archers = 60
10 Archers = 60
5 Horse Archers = 70
5 Horse Archers = 70
5 Horse Archers = 70
5 Horse Archers = 70

3 Necro Knights: champ, musi = 215
Warshinx: Fiery Roar = 230
Warshinx: Fiery Roar = 230
Warshinx: Fiery Roar = 230

Necrosphinx: 225
Hierotitant: 175
Casket of Souls: 135
Skullapult: 90

== 2698 ==


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Level 4 light, MR3, sceptre of stability
Level 4 Nehekara, 5+ ward, earthing rod

Level 1 light, dispel scroll
Level 1 light

5 x 5 scouting horse archers
10 skeleton archers
10 skeletons archers
33 skeleton archers

7 Ushabtis, great bow
9 Ushabtis, great bow

Hierotitan
Casket of souls
Screaming skull catapult
Screaming skull catapult

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Vampire Counts Sample Army Lists

Vampires play one of two builds: Hexwraiths for rushes, Wall of Horrors for slow but reliable.

Hexwraiths wrote:
Vampire Lord: General, Level 4, Vampires, Great Weapon, Glittering scales, Talisman of preservation, The other Trickster’s Shard, Red Fury 470

Vampire: BSB, Level 2, Death, Heavy armour, Enchanted Shield, Obsidian Amulet, Scroll of Shielding 219
Necromancer: Level 2, Death, Dispel Scroll 125
Banshee: 95

39 Skeleton Warriors, FCG, Banner of Swiftness 240
36 Crypt Ghouls: Champion 370

3x 2 Fell Bats: 32
2x 9 Hexwraiths: Champion, 280
1 Terrorgheist: 225
Total: 2400


Wall of Horrors wrote:
Vampire Lord: General, Level 1, Vampires, Great Weapon, Red Fury, Talisman of Preservation,
Glittering Scales, The Other Tricksters Shard, 365
Master Necromancer: Level 4, Death, Book of Arkhan, 225

Vampire: BSB, Level 2, Vampires, Dispel Scroll, Aura of Dark Majesty, Charmed Shield, 220
Necromancer: Level 2, Death, Obsidian Loadstone, Ironcurse Icon, 150
Tomb Banshee: 95
Tomb Banshee: 95

39 Skeleton Warriors: FCG, Banner of Swiftness, 240
39 Zombies: Musician, 122
38 Zombies: Musician, 119
38 Zombies: Musician, 119

7 Crypt Horrors: Champion, 276
7 Crypt Horrors: Champion, 276
2 Fell Bats: 32
2 Fell Bats: 32
2 Fell Bats: 32

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Warriors of Chaos Sample Army Lists

WoC variants inevitably boil down to rushing. Variations include less magic but a lord fighter, flying heroes instead of T5 W3 mounted heroes and crushers vs chimerae.

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Sorcerer lord@360pts (general) - Mark of Tzeentch, lvl 4 (tzeentch), Shrieking Blade, Enchanted Shield, Dispel Scroll, Obsidian Amulet, Ironcurse Icon
Exalted hero@246pts - Mark of Tzeentch, barded daemonic mount, great weapon, Armour of Destiny, Scaled Skin
Exalted hero@271pts - Mark of Tzeentch, BSB, barded daemonic mount, halberd, Talisman of Preservation, Charmed Shield, Burning Body, Soul Feeder

17 Chaos warriors@334pts - Mark of Tzeentch, shields, full command, Standard of Discipline
2x5Warhounds@ 40pts - Vanguard
3xChaos chariot@115pts - Mark of Slaanesh

6 Chaos trolls@210pts
2xChimera@275pts - Regenerating flesh, flaming breath
2396pts

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Wood Elves Sample Army Lists

We expect Wood Elf lists to be quite similar to the following:

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L4 Dark, steed, mr2, power stone, moonstone
L2 Heavens, steed, scroll
BSB Hail of Doom, Bow of Loren, steed

10 Archers poison, musician
10 Archers trueflight, musician
19 Archers starfire arrows, musician

7 Sisters, fc, +1LD banner
7 Wild Riders
7 Wild Riders

10 Waywatchers
10 Waywatchers
2 Eagles

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I've updated this heavily with lots of sample lists. Most have been chosen from credible sources such as last year's ETC rosters, big and recent tournaments and ETC playtesting experiences. Some lists however are based solely on our experience, as we have been unable to find any strong lists for these fractions with results to show for.

A few examples are missing. Also note that we of course expect people to bring variants we haven't thought of here, as well as completely new approaches. You can't plan for everything though, so this is the best we can do.

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Fixed examples. Missing good DW and LZ lists with merits.

Updated BRs with HE vs OK. Matchup is definitely -2 for SDHE.

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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2014 8:31 pm 
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As I wrote in the report against OK, I didn`t get to evaluate the Griffon Noble properly today. However, what I did realize was that my list is probably quite spell-selection dependent. Furthermore, Fury Ring provides tremendous versatility as far as magical offense is concerned.

While I don`t intend for this list to face gunlines, I do intend for it to face other lists with some degree of shooting, where Soul Quench is really good. Usually however, I`d want at least Apotheosis or Walk Between Worlds in addition (preferably both). To this end, a second mage is really needed. The problem with the "default" SD approach is the lack of the Ring, which is impossible to fit in if you go 2 heroes + 2 mages and one of the heroes carries the Crown of Stubborn. What I`m looking to do then is basically split the Helms into 2 smaller units, one with fighters and 1 for Mages. As the bus is often commited fast, having a secondary unit to jump into and keep casting from is great. Let`s take a look at my current list:

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:: Star Dragon ::

Prince on Star Dragon with star lance, dragonhelm, golden crown of atrazar, tots, shield = 598
Noble on Griffon, enchanted shield, dawnstone, heavy armour, lance = 260
Noble BSB on Barded Steed, heavy armour, shield, spear, botwd = 168
High Mage L2, scroll, furyring = 170
Characters/heroes: 1196/598

14 Silver Helms, full command and shields = 352
5 reavers, champion = 90
17 Spearelves, musician and standard bearer with +1M = 188
Core: 630

4 RBTs = 280
Eagle = 50
Frostheart Phoenix = 240
Rare: 570

Army total: 2396


So leaving the Noble at home, we`re looking to include a second L2 mage with the Ring of Fury. This increases my chances of getting Apotheosis from 44% => 91% and I also have the option of 3 casts of Soul Quench. Let`s see what such a list looks like:

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Prince on Star Dragon with star lance, dragonhelm, golden crown of atrazar, tots, shield = 598
Noble BSB on Barded Steed, heavy armour, shield, lance, botwd = 172
High Mage L2, steed, scroll, furyring = 180
High Mage L2, steed, powerstone = 150
Noble on Barded Steed, heavy armour, shield, lance = 97
Characters/heroes: 1197/599

13 Silver Helms, full command and shields = 329
8 Silver Helms, Musician and shields = 194
5 reavers, champion = 90

4 RBTs = 280
Eagle = 50
Frostheart Phoenix = 240
Rare: 570

Army total: 2380


20 points to spare that can`t really be put to use anywhere. I suppose a 6th Reaver could fit the bill. The power stone is an item that isn`t crucial, but brings a lot to the list. It could of course be swapped for something else, but the question is what? Protection for the second Noble is an obvious candidate, but he can`t afford the Dawnstone. Yet another possibility here is to re-include the Spears and de-mount both mages, but this makes the Spears worth going for and creates an unwieldy unit that is very vulnerable and worth a lot of points (roughly 500). It would allow me to put the stubborn Helm + Enchanted Shield on the 2nd Noble though. Just a straight-up swap would see the Spears at 18 strong with the M6 banner. Perhaps it could be a viable approach, with that many bodies and Shield of Saphery they are hard to shift at a distance - besides who would want to target them with the Stardragon, Frostheart and bus running around?

In the end, though the Spears are tempting, I think too many opponents can simply target them and eat a big chunk of points from me, or simply suicide-charge to get the mages.

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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2014 10:46 pm 
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Ok so here is a Spearman-variant of the last list. Since I have so many months left before the tournament I can at least make a draft and consider playing it:

Prince on Star Dragon with star lance, dragonhelm, golden crown of atrazar, tots, shield = 598
Noble BSB on Barded Steed, heavy armour, shield, lance, botwd = 172
High Mage L2, scroll, furyring = 170
High Mage L2 = 120
Noble on Barded Steed, heavy armour, lance, crown of command, enchanted shield = 135
Characters/heroes: 1195/597

13 Silver Helms, full command and shields = 329
19 Spearelves, Full Command and +1 Movement banner = 216
5 reavers, champion = 90
Core = 635

4 RBTs = 280
Eagle = 50
Frostheart Phoenix = 240
Rare: 570

Army total: 2400

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A good read.

I'm a bit confused on the scoring system. How is it worked out? 60-20 is the max score with four 20-0s but how do you get to that? What is results were all say, 17-3?

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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 10:39 am 
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4 x 17 > 60, so you`d get 60 :)

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Ah ok got you. So the aim is to get 15-5 and above.

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Yes, pretty much. Of course, if two people get 20-0 and the other two tie their games 10-10, you still max the cap and get the same points as a team who wins all 4 games 20-0. "True" Battle Points are used a a tie breaker I believe (it could be Victory Points, I`m not sure).

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Curu Olannon wrote:
Yes, pretty much. Of course, if two people get 20-0 and the other two tie their games 10-10, you still max the cap and get the same points as a team who wins all 4 games 20-0. "True" Battle Points are used a a tie breaker I believe (it could be Victory Points, I`m not sure).


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DE BR against O&G. http://druchii.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php ... 75#p902961

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Dark Reaper wrote:


Added to BR list along with yesterday`s HE vs WE match.

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:: Pairing Training 3 ::

Time for some more practice! We`ve had a couple of interesting rounds, where we specifically sought out lists that are strong against us and popular in what we perceive the meta to be like.

For the first round, we had blocking VC, Coven EMP, Nurgle DoC and a DE list similar to ours. Our armies were SDHE, DE, OK, DW. Unfortunately I don`t remember exactly how things went down, but we ended up with the following:

SDHE vs DE
DE vs EMP
DW vs DoC
OK vs VC


I believe the Star Dragon has a small advantage vs DE. I`d say it`s a +1 matchup. DE vs Empire is likely +1/+2. Dwarfs vs DoC is hard to evaluate, but we believe it is hard for DoC to score points without risking a lot, in which case Dwarfs have a slight advantage, so probably 0 ish, maybe +1. OK vs non-Hexwraiths VC should be dine. Death is an issue, so it`s not a big advantage, but still +1. A massive +4 in our favour, despite trying to pick hard lists. What we see is that trying to tailor an entire team is very hard: our armies seen together are highly flexible.

For the second round, we had MSU-DoC with lots of Horrors, L4 Death GUO, ambushing hounds and flies, Dark Elves similar to ours, Skaven with bell and Coven Empire. Our lists were the same. We put out DW, their output was DoC. We countered with OK-DE, they countered with DE-EMP. We chose DW - EMP, SDHE - DE. They chose DoC - OK, SK - DE.

DW - EMP
SDHE - DE
OK - DoC
DE - SK


Lots of matchups we are unsure about, playtesting needed. Overall though, despite the lists looking really strong, I don`t think we are in big trouble here.

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Good work curu. I'm particularly interested in how the star dragon and spearmen list works out - let us know how play testing goes!

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Yeah, well first of all I`m trying out the Star Coven today ;) Game in a couple of hours. I`m also playing CD vs OK today, trying out a death-list, check this post: http://www.chaos-dwarfs.com/forum/showt ... #pid236409

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First game of the day is now chronicled, take a look: viewtopic.php?f=76&t=45081&p=879340#p879340 :)

BR with CD vs OK coming asap!

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OK vs CD game up - http://www.chaos-dwarfs.com/forum/showt ... #pid236439 :)

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