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[pk-ng]

Grats Dale! Go the dragon power!

[Swordmaster of Hoeth]

Excellent stuff! Another member of the Elven Top Gun! Congratulations!

I have noticed that sports was a huge part of an overall. How it was calculated/awarded?

Cheers!

Edit: I have just found the rules pack!

[John Rainbow]

I have noticed that sports was a huge part of an overall. How it was calculated/awarded?

Cheers!

Edit: I have just found the rules pack!

Sports was a huge part of it! I'm not sure how to feel about it. It was 8 points per game and then 7 points per fave. opponent vote. It had a MASSIVE effect on overall scores.

[finreir]

Yeah I hate soft score either painting or sports.

I would only ever encourage hits if it wasnt to standard i consider these as minimums

[w_fergus]

Just wanted to chime in and congratulate you on your Top 5 showing, Dale. It was real pleasure to meet you in person and see your beautiful army up close. It is my goal to become verse enough to play at next year’s Adepticon. I agree with everyone that the press coverage on the Fantasy side was horrible. I spoke to a few representatives at the tournament and expressed my displeasure about the fact that there is no young bloods tournament for my son as well. I mean, Adepticon is sending a message to young players that 40K is the place to be. It’s a real shame that the focus is all on 40K!!! But then again, Adepticon does not have any competition to cause them to care to change things. On a final note, I will share my experience at my first Adepticon in a nutshell. When I went around and watched Fantasy games, the players were so willing to take time out of their game to give me a quick re-cap of what happened in their match up to that point, answer one of my questions or explain to me after their match was over and explain to me what their initial game plan was and what went wrong with it. When I went to view the 40K side, I was treat with looks like, “What the hell are you doing at my table?” So to end on a positive note…. I am so glad that Adepticon placed the Fantasy Tournament far away from the 40K side….lol

[wamphyri101]

Cheers for all the comments.

I will write up a battle report for them at some point but I have done a rough guide on the podcast which will be out Friday.

So having random musings of trying something without the dragon (also doing a list with)

This is the 1st rough draft at 2500

LoreMaster of Hoeth
Talisman of preservation
Book of Hoeth
330pts

Lords: 330pts

Noble
bsb
Dragon armour
Shield of the Mermrym
Sword of might
Golden helm of atrazr
155pts

Mage – High Magic
Lvl 2
120pts

Mage – High Magic
Lvl 2
120pts

Heroes: 395

15 Archers w Full Command
15 Archers w Full Command
20 SeaGuard with full command

Core: 630

17 Swordmasters of Hoeth
Full Command, Banner of the world dragon

9 White Lions (3x3)

9 White Lions 9(3x3)

Special: 535

2 Bolt Throwers
2 Great Eagles
8 Maiden Guard with Champion and reaver bow
1 Flame Phoenix

Rare: 607

[wamphyri101]

Idea 2...With Dragon!



Prince
Star Dragon
Talisman of preservation
Heavy armour
Charmed Shield
Lion cloak
Sword of Anti heroes
Lords: 622pts

Noble
BSB
Golden Helm
Star Lance
Dragon Helm
Heavy Armour
Shield
Great Eagle
201pts

Mage:High Magic
120pts

Mage:High Magic
120pts

Heroes: 441pts
15 Archers w Full Command
15 Archers w Full Command
20 SeaGuard with full command
Core: 630
6 White Lions
6 White Lions
5 Swordmasters
Special: 221
2 Bolt Throwers
2 Eagle
5 Maiden Guard with Champion and reaver bow
1 Frostheart Phoenix
Rare: 585

[finreir]

Cheers for all the comments.

I will write up a battle report for them at some point but I have done a rough guide on the podcast which will be out Friday.

So having random musings of trying something without the dragon (also doing a list with)

This is the 1st rough draft at 2500

LoreMaster of Hoeth
Talisman of preservation
Book of Hoeth
330pts

Lords: 330pts


Noble
bsb
Dragon armour
Shield of the Mermrym
Sword of might
Golden helm of atrazr
155pts

Mage – High Magic
Lvl 2
120pts

Mage – High Magic
Lvl 2
120pts

Heroes: 395

15 Archers w Full Command
15 Archers w Full Command
20 SeaGuard with full command

Core: 630

17 Swordmasters of Hoeth
Full Command, Banner of the world dragon

9 White Lions (3x3)

9 White Lions 9(3x3)

Special: 535

2 Bolt Throwers
2 Great Eagles
8 Maiden Guard with Champion and reaver bow
1 Flame Phoenix

Rare: 607

i believe whitelions to be a 10+ now wamph

[wamphyri101]

Wankbiscuits

[wamphyri101]

So been toying with different ideas and I really wanna just try something fun for a bit. Yeah if I face 3 cannons this might be a bloody fast game, but at least I can have some fun!

2500pts

Prince
Star Dragon, Armour of Destiny, Lion Cloak, Sword of Might, Other Tricksters shard, Shield
Lords: 625pts

Noble
BSB, Enchanted Shield, Dragon Armour, Reaver Bow, Great Eagle

Dragon Mage, Dragon Armour, level 2, Khaine’s ring of fury, Charmed Shield, Spell shield scroll

Heroes: 625pts

13 Archers with Banner/Musician
12 Archers with Banner/Musician
12 Archers with Banner/Musician
5 Ellyrian Reavers with Bows, Spears and musician
5 Ellyrian Reavers with Bows, Spears and musician
Core: 640

Eagles Claw Bolt Thrower
Eagles Claw Bolt Thrower
Flamespyre Phoenix
Frostheart Phoenix

Rare: 605

[wamphyri101]

So, been away for a wee while trying out Dragon Lists and…well they really don’t cut it in competitive tournaments.

While yes, I can do well with them, it’s usually the rest of the army that has to do well as the dragon is such a points sink.

So what I am trying now is two list ideas at 2500pts that are a bit different than my usual style.

The 1st is a Cav list, using Shadow magic to weaken the enemy and hopefully add mindrazor to a large choice of units.

The second is an all comers Loremaster list. Phoenix’s tag team it up with shooting support to clear chaff. WL/PG can go defensive or offensive with fire support from the loremaster. BSB to go in WL and the loremaster depending on opponent.


Both Lists are restricted by this comp: http://www.wetcoastgt.com/content/wet-c ... ion-filter


The Fast List:

Prince, barded steed, DA, sword of strife, other trickers, golden crown, enchanted shield

Archmage lore of Shadow
barded steed, book of hoeth, ironcurse icon

noble bsb on barded steed, dragon armour, halberd and Potion of strength

19 archers with command
18 archers with command

5 reavers with spears/bow/musician
5 reavers with musician

7 dragon princes with full co and banner of the world dragon
lion chariot
9 shadow warriors
bolt thrower
bolt thrower
frostheart
frostheart

The Loremaster List:

Loremaster
golden crown, book, glittering scales

noble bsb with da, sword of might, shield of merwyn, other tricksters

19 archers with command

18 archers with command

5 reavers with spears/bow/musician

5 reavers with musician

20 white lions with full command and banner of the world dragon

20 phoenix guard with full command and the razor banner

9 Shadow Warriors

bolt thrower
frostheart
frostheart

[PadForce]

wont you be re-rolling your own ward saves with that set-up?

[wamphyri101]

Its all dependent on where you place the guy with other tricksters.

Since most of the time it will only affect the guys next to me (you don't have to re-roll for person using it) and most of the time that person only gets a 2+ vs magic stuff, I'm willing to make sacrifices

[wamphyri101]

The Double Loremaster List!

Loremaster 1 cheekily low casts spells with book. When he fails, loremaster 2 takes other.
You can really get some cheap good combos off

Bsb should never see combat. He will jump out of the white lion unit into archers/sisters/shadow warriors before the enemy closes. (Depending on Magic superiority)

Phoenix can be my road block. With double wildform and lifebloom to heal wounds they can do alot. Plus Miasma, iceshard etc etc etc

Loremaster
Book of Hoeth, Iron Curse Icon

Loremaster
sword of might, shield of merwyn, power stone, dragon bane gem

noble bsb with Da, reaver bow, potion of strength, enchanted shield

19 archers with command

18 archers with command

5 reavers with spears/bow/musician

5 reavers with musician

30 white lions with full command and banner of the world dragon

6 Shadow Warriors

8 Sisters of Averlorn

frostheart

frostheart

[Malossar]

What purpose do the shadow warriors fulfill? I've noticed they're in every single version of your list to date!

[wamphyri101]

depends what I face.

chaff drop
warmachine hunter
mobile mini get away bunker
bolthrower defense
missile screen
marchblockers
fanatic poppers

usually run them 2 wide 3 deep. buffed the can be annoying.

they played ring a roses around a guo the otherday. did a wound every few turns annoys him

they dont attract enough attention to die

[SpellArcher]

I've had a fair bit of joy with 5-strong Waywatchers lately for the reasons Dale gives above but figure that 5-strong Scouts could do most of it and just be cheaper. Shadow Warriors are cheaper still.

[wamphyri101]

So I have been thinking about more ideas and I am about to submit this on Monday 1st for a a 40 Player 2 day event. There is a “comp filter” so my list is designed to be an 8 on that filter.

With the loss of my dragon (too many daemons here with stupid +D3 Stat blade and double skull cannon) I thought Shadow might be a better chance than double lore master. Also there are lots of synergies and possibilities with low power dice phases.

Most frequent armies here atm are WoC, Ogres and Daemons.

Loremaster
Fencers Blades, Glittering Scales, Dragon Bane gem, powerstone: 315

Archmage – Lore of Shadow
Level 4, Book of Hoeth, Golden Crown: 285

Lords: 600

Noble
BsB, Dragon Armour, Reaver Bow, Potion of Strength: 150

Heroes: 150

19 Archers with Full Command (30): 220

18 Archers with Full Command (30): 210

5 reavers with musician, Bows: 105pts

5 reavers with musician: 90pts

Core: 625

20 white lions, with full command, banner of the world dragon: 340

5 Dragon Princes w musician/champion:

Special: 505

Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower

Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower

Frostheart Phoenix

Frostheart Phoenix

Rare: 620pts

Still debating whether to drop a phoenix and the dragon princes for 22 Phoenix Guard with command and Razor Banner. With wildform,withering and mindrazor they can be pretty good.

Pics of the new characters:

[Stormie]

Ahh, love the Fencer!

Only very minor change (that will probably be VERY useful) is to give your Loremaster an Arcane Item. There's so many good uns to choose from but the +1 to channel staff is great for 15 points; the occasional extra power dice will really help you get the most bang for your buck- and you're really paying a lot for your magic, so you should maximise it as best you can.

[wamphyri101]

Fair point. Dropped a dragon prince for a champ and musician. Spare 10pts plus loss of 2 5pt items gives me the powerstone

[wamphyri101]

So this weekend I took part in a WFB team Tournament in Vancouver, Washington. Was about a 6hr drive but In good company.

OFCC is a team invitational tournament which included 100players (in teams of 5)

3 teams came down from Canada, with our team (CHOP XxX) winning 3 of the catagories (Painting, General and overall) but as you cannot win more than 1 prize, we ended up on Best Overall (Amazeballs!) and won with 98pts between us and second

Results can be found at:
http://www.ordofanaticus.com/forum/view ... =7&t=18533

Teams lists can be found at:
http://www.ordofanaticus.com/forum/view ... =7&t=18270

So overall I won 3 games at Max points (20) 1 game at 18pts and I lost the last game vs the toughest list there (Nurgle Daemon wall list with 2 skillcannons)

Not going into too much detail but just an over view

I used a mish marsh list as we have 4 days after the new book was released to have our lists submitted:


Lords: (634 points / 22.6%)
Prince, Star Dragon, Armour of Destiny, Other Tricksters Shard, Golden Crown of Atrazar, Sword of Might, Lion Cloak, Shield. 634 points.

Heroes: (490 points / 17.5%)
Noble, Battle Standard Bearer, Great Eagle, Dragon Armour, Star Lance, Enchanted Shield, Potion of Foolhardiness, Pidgeon Plucker Pendent. 200 points.
Mage, High Magic, Level 2, Dispel Scroll. 145 points.
Mage, High Magic, Level 2, Khaine’s Ring of Fury. 145 points.

Core: (700 points / 25.0%)
15 Archers, Banner, Musician. 170 points.
14 Archers, Banner, Musician. 160 points.
14 Archers, Banner, Musician. 160 points.
5 Ellyrian Reavers, Musician, Bows. 105 points.
5 Ellyrian Reavers, Musician, Bows. 105 points.

Special: (384 points/ 13.7%)
18 White Lions of Chrace, Banner, Musician, Guardian, Banner of the World Dragon. 314 points.
5 Shadow Warriors. 70 points.

Rare: (592 points / 21.1%)
Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower. 70 points.
Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower. 70 points.
Great Eagle. 50 points.
Great Eagle. 50 points.
8 Sisters of Avelorn. 112 points.
Frostheart Phoenix. 240 points.


My Game 1:

We got challenged twice on day 1, so our 1st game was vs TEAM BLACK SHEEP SPAELSAU (or Spatula as they were dubbed)
I was drawn vs Ben Sathrum. He was a nice guy rocking:

Ben Sathrum aka BeaverBeliever - Warriors of Chaos

LORDS - 389 (13.9%)
Chaos Lord - Mark of Khorne, Giant Blade, Helm of Many Eyes, The Other Trickster's Shard, Flaming Breath, Soul Feeder, Hideous Visage,
Chaos Steed [389]

HEROES - 641 (22.9%)
Exalted Hero - Mark of Tzeentch, Talisman of Preservation, Ironcurse Icon, Scaled Skin, Halberd, Battle Standard Bearer [221]
Chaos Sorcerer - Mark of Nurgle, Level 2, Lore of Nurgle, Biting Blade, Charmed Shield, Dragonbane Gem, Ruby Ring of Ruin, Chaos
Familiar [225]
Chaos Sorcerer - Level 2, Lore of Shadow, Shrieking Blade, Enchanted Shield, Dispel Scroll, Chalice of Chaos [195]

CORE - 1080 (38.6%)
(16) Chaos Warrior - Mark of Nurgle, Musician, Standard Bearer, Banner of Eternal Flame, Shield, Halberd [350]
(30) Chaos Marauder - Musician, Standard Bearer, Flail [260]
(5) Chaos Warhound [30]
(5) Chaos Warhound [30]
(1) Chaos Chariot - Mark of Slaanesh [115]
(1) Chaos Chariot - Mark of Slaanesh [115]
(5) Marauder Horseman - Mark of Khorne, Flail [90]
(5) Marauder Horseman - Mark of Khorne, Flail [90]

SPECIAL - 687 (24.5%)
(16) Chosen - Mark of Tzeentch, Champion, Musician, Standard Bearer, Lichebone Pennant, Shield [397]
(5) Chaos Knight , Mark of Khorne, Musician, Standard Bearer, Razor Standard, Ensorcelled Weapon [290]

His roll saw his chosen get I6 (eeek) but no mindrazor or pit.

Game saw my dragon/phoenix smash into his warrior block while the white lions held up the chosen. He had some bad luck when his unit of marauders paniced from a dieing chariot, fled through two of my units and a venom thicket…and knocked at least 15 guys off. They ended up with a soul quench to the face and then finished by Reavers.
White lions got taken down to 2 people but held will the dragon/bsb and phoenix saved the day. Game ended with Dragon Lord taking down the Chaos lord in combat and tabling the guy for the loss of an 162 points

His failing was that it was open lists, and I asked him at the start if he knew everything and he said yeah. On turn two he realized my white lions had the banner (as he was about to charge with the knights/lord) and this meant he had to back off till the chosen could get in.

Game 2:
We faced team “Gamers Haven” which had double skaven!

I got drawn vs
Lords [310 / 11.07%]
(1) Grey Seer. Dispell Scroll, Talisman of Preservation [310]

Heroes [570 / 20.36%]
(1) Plague Priest. Level 2 Wizard, Plague Furnace, Foul Pendent, Plague Censer
[331]
(1) Warlock Engineer. Level 1 Wizard, Doom rocket, Warp-energy Condenser
[115]
(1) Chieftain. Battle Standard Bearer, Storm Banner, Halberd, Shield [124]

Core [727 / 25.96%]
(39) Stormvermin. Champion, Musician, Standard Bearer, Shields, Poisoned Wind
Mortor, Razor Standard [447]
(50) Skaven Slaves. Shields, Musician [127]
(50) Skaven Slaves. Shields, Musician [127]
(6) Giant Rats (1) Packmaster [26]

Special [723 / 25.82%]
(44) Plague Monks. Champion, Musician, Standard Bearer, Plague Banner [363]
(10) Gutter Runners. Slings, Poisoned Attacks [180]
(10) Gutter Runners. Slings, Poisoned Attacks [180]

Rare [470 / 16.79%]
(1) Hell Pit Abomination [235]
(1) Hell Pit Abomination [235]

Poor guy had a total non game.
Turn 1 he used his storm banner. I thought sod it and threw everything at his Abom closet to me. I got lucking with a wound from the sisters, 3 from a single shot BT and then finished off by the archers. This caused a panic test on his storm vermin with BSB and Seer. He rolled an 11 twice and then ran 10 inches off the table.

And that was it. 5 minutes. I was shocked. I even offered a restart/continue with the unit on (for its points) but his family was up also and as it was 33 degrees he wanted to spend some time with them.

Felt pretty gutted not to get a game after the long journey but fair enough.
Game 3: Team Black Sheep Marino (the 2nd challenge)

I got drawn vs:
Steele Hull’ Empire
LORDS [678 / 24.2%]
(1) Arch lector: war altar of sigmar, horn of sigismund, heavy armour, great weapon, charmed shield [274]
(1) Grand master, shield, sword of strife, luckstone [204]
(1) Battle wizard lord: Lore of shadow, level 4 upgrade [200]

HEROES [311 / 11.1%]
(1) Captain of the empire: battle standard bearer, dawnstone, enchanted shield, full plate armour [121)]
(1) Battle wizard: Lore of Light, level 2 upgrade, dispel scroll [125]
(1) Master engineer [65]

CORE [771 / 27.5%]
(13) Inner circle knights, standard, musician [345]
(41) Halberdiers, standard, 5 x archers detachment, 5 x archers detachment [326]
(10) Crossbowmen, standard [100]

SPECIAL [539 / 19.25%]
(3) Demigryph knights, standard, musician [194]
(1) great cannon [120]
(5) Reiksguard knights [135]
(5) Pistoliers [90]

RARE [500 / 17.8%]
(1) Steam tank [250]
(1) Celestial hurricanum [130]
(1) Helblaster volley gun [120]

So I hide most my stuff behind a building with the white lions and both mages in the building.

Turn 1 I threw 6 dice (skills) at the halberd block and got it off (not double6) and he failed to dispel. It took out 26 guys!

Game was pretty balanced till I managed to swing around the right flank once the cannon had misfired. His knights swept around my left flank and did well, but too late. The 1 cannon on my dragon from the stank did 6 wounds! So he pulled back (after finishing off the halberds, bsb and mage) and hid behind his building.

Phoenix whittled the tank down to 4 wounds but died in the end.

End of the game saw me only having lost 2 units of archers, reavers and eagles for his whole army bar Stank and Lector (on 1 wound)

Games 4: We had Borderland Raiders team 1

I had:

Ryan Williams – Daemons of Chaos

Lords (455pts) – 16%
Daemon Prince (455pts)
chaos arrmor (20pts), flight (40pts), Level 4 Wizard (140pts), Nurgle (5pts)

Heroes (420pts) – 15%
Herald of Khorne (175pts)
Exalted Locus of Wrath (75pts)
Herald of Nurgle (245pts)
Battle Standard Bearer (25pts), Greater Locus of Fecundity (45pts), Level 1 Wizard (35pts), Palanquin (50pts)

Core (784pts) – 28%
Bloodletters of Khorne (426pts)
29x Bloodletter (406pts), Bloodreaper (10pts), Standard Bearer (10pts)
Plaguebearers of Nurgle (358pts)
26x Plaguebearer (338pts), Plagueridden (10pts), Standard Bearer (10pts)

Special (855pts) - 30%
Beasts of Nurgle (120pts)
2x Beast of Nurgle (120pts)
Beasts of Nurgle (120pts)
2x Beast of Nurgle (120pts)
Bloodcrushers of Khorne (425pts)
6x Bloodcrusher (390pts), Bloodhunter (10pts)
Standard Bearer (25pts)
Banner of Swiftness (15pts)
5x Chaos Fury (70pts)
5x Daemons of Nurgle (10pts)
3x Screamers of Tzeentch (120pts)

Rare (285pts) – 9.8%
Burning Chariot of Tzeentch (150pts)
Skull Cannon of Khorne (135pts)

So game he went forwards turn 1 with not much happening.
I charged the dragon into his furies and overran into skullcrushers.

His blood letters tried to hold up the white lions but BTWD held true. Was pretty tight till the phoenix/dragon combo charged the bloodletters to wipe them out leaving everything to face the nurgle horde.

Game ended with him only having his daemon princes and 2 beasts left, but we had to stop before turn 6 due to time

Ryan was a really nice guy though and we had a good laugh. If it wasn’t for Chris he would have been my best sports vote

Game 5: We were actually drawn vs our B team, but said no. We then got the other Canada team who we play often, and after talking decided it didn’t matter how the games went as long as a Canadian team won that was fine lol. So we faced off vs WCP. I got thrown under the bus and had to face Chris powells daemon filth. Guy had 4 20 – 0 so far and his list crushed hobby. I knew this would be a loss, as I have faced this type of list before (dragon cannot get near the GUO or he is taken off, plus 2 cannons that can move own my list) but I took it for the team to try and stop him getting a full house.

He had:

CHRIS POWELL - Daemons of Chaos Roster

LORDS [580 / 20.7%]
(1) Great Unclean One , General, Level 4, Lore of Nurgle, [480]
1 Exalted Gift , 1 Lesser Gift

HEROS [205 / 7.3%]
(1) Herald of Nurgle, Battle Standard Bearer, [155]
Lesser Locus of Virulence, 1 Greater Gift

CORE [855 / 30.5%]
(40) Plaguebearers of Nurgle, Plagueridden(champ), standard, musician, [527]
1 Banner of Swiftness , 15 pts
(20) Bloodletters of Khorne, standard, [290]

SPECIAL [540 / 19.2%]
(6) Beasts of Nurgle, [360]
(5) Chaos Furies, [60]
(5) Chaos Furies, [60]
(5) Chaos Furies, [60]

RARE [620 / 22.1%]
(1) Skull Cannon of Khorne, [135]
(1) Skull Cannon of Khorne, [135]
(3) Plague Drones of Nurgle, standard, [175]
(3) Plague Drones of Nurgle, standard, [175]

So everything went bad from the outset. My 1st magic phase was a double 1. His 1st turn took off my Phoenix in 1 shot. Turn 2 saw my dragon flee off the table from a panic check on a double 6 (to be fair he was down to 3 wounds due to god damn cannons)

My shooting did squat. Saving grace was him wanting to kill my BOTWD unit with my mages, which held for 5 rounds of combat and finished the game alive!

Pappa nurgle went back to the warp after getting bored, but by then it didn’t matter.
He was so greedy to wipe me out, he forgot the hill objective and ended up only winning 17-3! Meant I broke his streak lol Chris got my fav opponent…mainly cause he begged due to the fact he wouldn’t get it from anyone else!

So over all I got 81/100 pts. I was happy with that as the list was sub optimal.

Review on what did what was:

Lord on Dragon: Just not worth it anymore. Yeah he can do well but with the loss of flaming ward and so many cannons/high magic damage he just isn’t worth the points in multi damage output. Sadly until something changes with cannons he is now dropped from being used.

BSB on eagle: He did fine, not dieing the whole weekend but then again he didn’t do much either. No longer my 1+ on eagle due to no longer having the old book items. Now dropped off eagle to bsb on foot with reaver bow/potion of strength/ enchanted shield.

Mages: Did a lot. Sould quench was great fun and the level 6 spell (flaming death or something) was epic, when you can get it off. Still I doubt I will use high. Unless you are making your list around stuff getting the wards it just isn’t worth it on a level 4.

Core was fine. Really enjoyed playing with the reavers

Special: White lions were still fine and yeah I missed rerolls but all was good.

Shadow warriors were also fun, but didn’t really have much to do. In none comped events I think id take 6 for options.

Eagles were eagles. Always helpful

Sisters…were meh. The range thing was a pain and tbh they are OK but doubt I will use for a while

Bolt throwers were ok, only really being effective in game 2. Single shots just miss too much and multi shot lacks a lot of punch vs T4+

The phoenix was good fun. His ASL/-1S/Thunderstomp was great for supporting the army.

So there you go, brief overview of the games. If you wanna know anything in more detail then just say

Oh yeah, was top HE also

[Delaqure]

It appears that if we want a dragon we need to build the list around anti cannons and such. Which means plenty of other flyers and warriors to go after the cannons. It looked like your list had that and your prince survived most of the games. I am not sure why you think he didn't work well. You did win 5 of the games you played and lost to the nastiest list in the tournament which there is no shame in that.
The game against the empire he got blasted pretty quick but I would have thought your eagles and shadow warriors could have taken out the cannons within the first couple of turns and then your prince could have come out of hiding.

[Delaqure]

One other, thing. You mentioned you wouldn't use High magic again. If you could do it again with the same army, what lore would you take and why?

[wamphyri101]

Probably light and heavens or double light. Cheap spells and light is a great law

[wamphyri101]

So after a few practice games where I have done well (pretty much 20 - 0) I have my 1st new book solo tournament this weekend at the Wetcoastgt.

I am taking:

Loremaster
Fencers blades, Glittering Robes, Dragonbane gem, Power stone

Archmage – Lore of Shadow
Level 4, Book of Hoeth, Golden Crown

Noble, BsB, Dragon Armour, Reaver Bow, Potion of Strength, enchanted shield

19 Archers with Full Command

18 Archers with Full Command

5 reavers, with musician, Bows

5 reavers, with musician

25 white lions, with full command, banner of the world dragon

5 Dragon Princes, musician/champion

Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower

Frostheart Phoenix

Frostheart Phoenix

With added new stuff (WiP Pics)

[wamphyri101]

So went 4-0-1 at wetcoastgt and won best overall. Pretty chuffed!
Will try and write match breakdown this week and change ideas

[Jimmy]

Big congrats mate! Well done!

Looking forward to the reports.

[Giladis]

Nicely done

[Elessehta of Yvresse]

Congratulations, love the Archmage and Loremaster conversions!

[wamphyri101]

So A breif break down:

Games were 15/10/5 for win loss and draw but you have objectives worth 3pts and if you denied your enemies objective you got 2pts

Game 1: DoC

Pappa Nurgle
Nurgle bsb
30 – 40 Plague bearers
25 Daemonettes
4 Screamers
10 Pink horrors
1 Skull cannon
3 Beasts of nurgle
5 furies
Flame chariot thing

Turn 1 I pitted off Pappa Nurgle. I rolled 8 Dice on the magic phase (double 4) and Threw 4 at shems burning gaze (lvl2) at this plagueflies. He failed to dispel with all of his dice and I took a fly off.

I then cheaky 1 diced Miasma, reducing his I to 2, then 3 diced Pit and bye bye nurgle.

I lost 1 phoenix to his plague bearer block (as it had just killed his daemonette block) and the other to 4 rounds of combat vs Beasts of nurgle.

My archers took out his skullcannon in combat (it had Iceshard on it also), a unit of screamers, his pink horrors and his furies.

White lions killed the plague bearers

Dragon princes did nothing as 4 died turn 1 to reign of chaos, as did my bolt thrower.

All he had left at the end was 2 beasts of nurgle and 9 bloodletters that turned up turn 6 from winds of magic. I had my white lions/all characters, both archer blocks, 1 dragon prince. 20 – 5 to me

Game 2:

WoC

Chaos lord on dragon
Daemonic mount bsb
Nurgle mage (lvl2)
6 khorne knights
3 skull crushers
Giant
2 units of hounds
2 chariots
Big block of marauders with GW

Highlights were the white lions smashing up the giant to have him fall on them, killing 10.
Turn 2 I searing doomed the dragon. Got 6 hits, 6 hits on the dragon, 6 wounds on a 3+, bye bye dragon.

Double phoenix hit the marauders and smashed them up over a few rounds.

High light of the game was my archers. Dragon princes with wildform on charge the chaos knights. I get enfeeble on his knights to make them S2. I also Miasma their WS. I kill 1 on the charge, his horses kill 2 in return! For two more rounds he knocks me down to 1 dragon prince. I then charge wildformed archers into him and kill 2. He breaks (so loses banner) but I fail to catch him. He rallies, I charge him again. Kill him, then reform to face the bsb. On turn 6 I hit him twice, wound him twice, and he double 1’s his armour and fails the ward to kill him for my objective! Epic. Won 20 – 5

Game 3:

WoC

Chaos lord on steed
Bsb on steed
Nurgle mage on foot
20 nurgle warriors with halberds
3 gorebeast chariots
1 chariot
6 chaos knights
6 ogres
Not sure if anything else

Game ended pretty bloody. I had half my white lions left (due to lords breath attack killing 10!), my characters and a Phoenix.

He kept making armour saves so had to cast mind razor to kill the lord/knights

He had 5 ogres and 1 chariot on 1 wound.

It was a long and bloody fight as his chariots did a number on me. Saving grace was his nurgle mage blowing up to reduce my phoenix’s T in combat with his unit of warriors. His mage was fine, but he killed 7 of the warriors which meant my phoenix smashed them up over two rounds and he lost is steadfast and was run down.

Ended 17 – 7

Game 4:

WoC (1/3rd field was WoC)

Daemon prince lvl4 tooled up and on death
The “un-killable” tzeentch bsb on daemonic mount
2 chimera with regen
2 slaanesh chariots
2 x 3 skull crushers
18 warriors with halberds and flaming banner


So this was one of my toughest games and came to turn 6 decider.

I made a silly mistake early one and forgot to reform my white lions so my archmage would be on the second rank. This meant when he charged his chariot and 2 x chimera, the flanking chimera killed the archmage. My loremaster also miscast and lost all his levels/spells which was annoying.

What was worse was my loremaster AND bsb rolling doube 1’s +2 wardsaves in the same turn and both dieing!

Game ended that I have both archer blocks and a phoenix left, he had his daemon prince, the bsb but what lost the game was a chimera on 1 wound! 4 rounds of shooting couldn’t get that last wound.

The scenario meant we had to ambush 1 unit, but it was worth double points. I killed his skull crushers and he failed to kill my archers (who got there secret scenario of getting a banner into his deployment) so it came down to 260pts win to him. Balls! Coulda been a draw.

So I ended up with 10 points to his 15 as he failed to stop me getting my objective and he didn’t get his. He went on to win best general as he won all 5 games.

Game 5:
Dark Elves

Lord on Dragon
Cauldren of blood
Lvl 2 metal
Hero on peg
Big block of spears
2 x 12 crossbows
Bolt thrower
2 x 6 knights
Dark riders
Hydra

Turn 1 I killed the hydra. Searing doomed it (lvl1) for 5 hits, 4 wounds then archers took it off.

He failed to a combo charge with knights/noble on my phoenix so my phoenixs charge 1 unit each (in hind sight should have combo charged 1)

Both kinda got held up due to lack of thunderstomps/armour. White lions killed the dragon in combat and ran down the lord.

Game was pretty one sided to me (bar a close final trans that killed half the white lions but no characters)

Killed all bar the cauldron and his spearmen were fleeing at the end in exchange for 5 reavers, 18 archers and that was all

Ended 20 – 5

So yeah, won best over all as I maxed out on painting but must have had some fav army/sports votes as we all thought a guy who had sneaked through the comp filter with beastmen had won (rush list which no one could remember how to deal with beastmen kinda thing)

SO reviewing my list I up for suggestions of change to make it better:

Loremaster
Fencers blades, Glittering Robes, Dragonbane gem, Power stone

He worked pretty well but not sure the stone was that affective. Being hard to hit really helped and only died once.

Archmage – Lore of Shadow
Level 4, Book of Hoeth, Golden Crown
Was very squishy but only died once and that was my fault. I am not sure shadow is best “all round”

Apart from Miasma and withering I only used mindrazor/pit/enfeeble once all 5 games and only PIT affected a major outcome.

Noble, BsB, Dragon Armour, Reaver Bow, Potion of Strength, enchanted shield
Kept forgetting the combo or to use the potion at the start. Think I will make him more defensive

19 Archers with Full Command

18 Archers with Full Command

Both did ace but want to make into 3 units for drops. Only have 2 for comp

5 reavers, with musician, Bows

5 reavers, with musician

Both were fun and worked well. Both will have bows now though as gives me a good option vs some armies

25 white lions, with full command, banner of the world dragon
Were good enough. Miss the rerolls!

5 Dragon Princes, musician/champion
Did pretty much f all so getting dropped

Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower
Was so so.

Frostheart Phoenix

Frostheart Phoenix

Were awesome but need to work together or have support vs none thunder stomp things.

So Ideas I am having are:

Drop shadow for either death/light or heavens.

Drop dragon princes and take 5 sisters to give me something flaming.

Make BSB more defensive

I am thinking of taking either a eagle noble to support the phoenixes, or taking a noble/maiden to go with the sisters with the reaver bow. This way I could shadow step the arch mage out of combat if needs be. Can also give the other character khaines ring for cheeky 1 dice killing as for 25pts its worth it.