What do we think of western involvement in the Iranian elections?
I don't mean further U.N sanctions etc. I'm talking about the involvement Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei outlined, western media playing its part. Theres been somewhat reliable reports that the US State Department asked Twitter ( One of the main mediums of the protesters) to re-shuffle it's update schedule so as to minimize any disruption to the anti-election side*. Which of course means that they're dabbling within an internal election.
Similarly there's been some less formal aid being given in the fact that California (as well as other places) seem to be holding up proxy servers for Iranian protesters to avoid state censorship.
The west does appear to be guilty of dabbling in the events but is it justified?
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That's such incredibly light dabbling I'm not sure it can even be considered as such. Khameini wasn't alleging that the US was keeping servers open, he was arguing that the CIA and the US planned and organized the rallies and that the entire opposition movement was a foreign sham. This was echoed this week by another cleric who argued that foreigners had killed Neda in order to drum up opposition.
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Though I think it is currently not the case, everyone has to be aware that such things are not beyond CIA, for the matter of fact they have done it to many times in the past for someone to believe them when they say "we are not involved".
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I agree with Giladis in that although capable I don't think the CIA killed Neda.
Victork, I don't know if it could be called slight dabbling. BBC and CNN at one point were advising twitter users to set there location to Tehran in order to avoid the Iranian government crackdown, who were using the location+identity search functions in order to locate protesters.
It does appear to be a case of the West aiding certain groups conduct illegal activity.
Victork, I don't know if it could be called slight dabbling. BBC and CNN at one point were advising twitter users to set there location to Tehran in order to avoid the Iranian government crackdown, who were using the location+identity search functions in order to locate protesters.
It does appear to be a case of the West aiding certain groups conduct illegal activity.
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The initial illegal activity was on the part of the Iranian regime. The idea that peaceful protests against their government cannot be aided by people keeping servers functional and altering their user profiles is a bar that is intolerably high before such interference can be considered undue.
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I was wondering if someone would be able to explain US Foreign Policy on this sort of thing to me. When there is a bad election in Iran, and the people are protesting and trying to get things done the correct way, the US quietly chides the Iranian Regime, but doesn't do anything else because it doesn't want to "meddle". When the Supreme Court, Congress, and People of Honduras force their President to leave because he wanted to get rid of the term limits, and they did so to preserve their constitution, the US is all and out against it, and orders that he be reinstated? Is this consistent?
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Sure.
Iran is too strong to bully.
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If you want to discuss Honduras I recommend another thread as to go into why your interpretation of events is factually wrong may derail the thread. The US has a history with Honduras where the country was a proxy for our war against leftist and communist governments in the region. What happened in Honduras was clearly a coup and has drawn universal international condemnation, such condemnation in Iran would have only benefitted the regime.Loki17 wrote:I was wondering if someone would be able to explain US Foreign Policy on this sort of thing to me. When there is a bad election in Iran, and the people are protesting and trying to get things done the correct way, the US quietly chides the Iranian Regime, but doesn't do anything else because it doesn't want to "meddle". When the Supreme Court, Congress, and People of Honduras force their President to leave because he wanted to get rid of the term limits, and they did so to preserve their constitution, the US is all and out against it, and orders that he be reinstated? Is this consistent?
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I think the US is concerned that if they meddle in Iraqi affairs, they will have another hostile state like pakistan on their hands (or whatever country we changed the results to an election 30-40 years ago. Its nearly 2 am here, and not getting any sleep last night, my mind aint at its best)
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