2400 points competitive

[PeterGold]

Hi guys,

Made this list which should be quite competitive. I only used models that I like and that I own. What do you guys think about it?

Here it comes:

*Archmage, lvl4, lore of Life ---320
-BoH
-Talism. of Pres.

*Noble, BSB ---134
-Heavy Armour
-Shield of the Merwyrn
-Sword of Might
-Golden Crown
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*19 Archers, musician ---200

*5 Reaver, bows and spears ---95
*5 Reaver, bows and spears ---95

*8 Silver Helms, musician ---214
-shields
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*26 Swordmasters, FC, BotWD ---418

*10 White Lions, musician ---140
*10 White Lions, musician ---140
*10 White Lions, musician ---140

*Tiranoc Chariot ---70
*Tiranoc Chariot ---70
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*Frostheart Pheonix ---240

*Eagle ---50
*Eagle ---50

I have a total of 14 points left.

Archmage and noble get in the swordmasters or maybe the archmage gets in the archers.
White Lions go in a block of 3x3... with a tail.

Any kind of feedback is greatly appreciated!

Kind regards,

Peter

[SpellArcher]

I believe this list badly needs RBT because it doesn't have enough board control and with so many M5 infantry that is bad news. I'd be tempted to drop the Lions to make a decent Silver Helm bus.

[finreir]

Drop 10 lions for 2 rbt
Then join the 2 remaining lions together then Is balanced.
No point adding to the helms IMHO unless you are going to shove characters and BOTWD in there, which it looks like your not
I don't think life is a good lore on a solo caster and it seems to me it's only ok with list synergy. If I was playing this list I think I would use heavens.
But good luck whatever you chose

[SpellArcher]

I agree characters are essential if enlarging the Helms, I don't think it has to have World Dragon.

The Swordmasters need a Lore like Life to keep them going IMHO. But that decreases your board control and that's why the RBT are especially important.

[PeterGold]

What do you actually mean with board control?

I thought it was fairly balanced.
SM as a main combat block.
Eagles, helms, reavers, chariots to clear chaff. After that they can be used as flankers, warmachine hunters, redirectors.
White lions can target medium size units and/or hold them in place due to stubborn.
Lore of life to make the elves harder to kill.

EDIT: I could also switch the AM for Loremaster. Still keep 5+ regen and +1t +1s with some nice additional spells

[SpellArcher]

The mobile elements help with enemy light troops. But the best unit by far for this is the Archers because they can remove them and opposing shooters from turn 1 with their 30" range. RBT are even better at this. Plus they are a ranged threat to things like Daemon Princes, Dragons, Monstrous Cavalry that will otherwise roam free and dominate the movement phase.

I'm suspicious of the small Lion units because magical ranged attacks hurt them badly and anything I5 or better will kill a lot of them, ASF is even worse. In a true MSU list they bring deployment and maneouvre advantages but not so much here IMHO. I've seen Loremaster in Swordmasters but I feel Life AM is safer, he has more protective redundancy and can 2-dice the spells.

[Rabidnid]

The mobile elements help with enemy light troops. But the best unit by far for this is the Archers because they can remove them and opposing shooters from turn 1 with their 30" range. RBT are even better at this. Plus they are a ranged threat to things like Daemon Princes, Dragons, Monstrous Cavalry that will otherwise roam free and dominate the movement phase.

I'm suspicious of the small Lion units because magical ranged attacks hurt them badly and anything I5 or better will kill a lot of them, ASF is even worse. In a true MSU list they bring deployment and maneouvre advantages but not so much here IMHO. I've seen Loremaster in Swordmasters but I feel Life AM is safer, he has more protective redundancy and can 2-dice the spells.

Running swordmasters I found that miasma was very necessary to spay opposing units. A loremaster and a lvl 1 shadow can be very effective due to the cheap miasma and iceshard blizzard spells.

[SpellArcher]

I'd worry about facing MSU elf shooting for example. I guess cover can help here.

[Rabidnid]

I'd worry about facing MSU elf shooting for example. I guess cover can help here.

Elves don't like shooting lists particularly anyway, but again the miasmas and ice shard blizzard can help with that. I've been running 2x6/7 units of SH of late and they really mess with MSU lists. I've not had much practice with it yet with my HE, but small spear units as hard cover was effective in my DE list.

[PeterGold]

So you think I should switch 10 lions for 2 bolt throwers. Maybe that's not a bad idea.
I do however think the other 20 white lions are better of in 2 units of 10.
They might seem a bit sacrificial this way but they can still do lots of damage and hold units while supported by others like chariot impact hits or the silver helms.

I also think life should still be taken imho. I think its really good at fixing some of the elven weaknesses like the low toughness and regrow can make the lions stay a bit longer. Also with the AM in the swordsunit it can give regen and hopefully doesn't dies to soon to heal himself back.

[SpellArcher]

Quite so, if you've got glass cannon infantry Life AM is golden.

[PeterGold]

Ok,
Made this updated list. Added 2 bolt throwers and switched the sword of might on the noble for the reaver bow.

*Archmage, lvl4, lore of Life ---320
-BoH
-Talism. of Pres.

*Noble, BSB ---149
-Heavy Armour
-Shield of the Merwyrn
-Reaver Bow
-Golden Crown
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*19 Archers, musician ---200

*5 Reaver, bows and spears ---95
*5 Reaver, bows and spears ---95

*8 Silver Helms, musician ---214
-shields
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*26 Swordmasters, FC, BotWD ---418

*10 White Lions, musician ---140
*10 White Lions, musician ---140

*Tiranoc Chariot ---70
*Tiranoc Chariot ---70
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*Frostheart Pheonix ---240

*RBT ---70
*RBT ---70

*Eagle ---50
*Eagle ---50

That's it with 9 points left.

I did see a problem with this list though. Since our gamingclub plays following the ETC rules I have a tough choice to make.

These are the restriction for High Elves:
• Book of Hoeth/Banner of the World Dragon/Unmounted Frostheart Phoenix, max 2
• 2nd Unmounted Frostheart Phoenix (counts as 2)/Lord on Monster/Dispel Scroll/Silverhelms present in the army, max 3
• Archmage with Lore of Shadow or Death cannot use Book of Hoeth
• Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower/Each 8 (or fraction) Shadow Warrior or Sister of Averlon models/Archer units, max 7
• Ellyrian Reaver units, max 3

So this would mean I have to drop the Phoenix, the BoH or the BotwD.
What's your opinion on which one should be left out?

[ArhangelusM]

Imho, out of the three, the book should always be the first to leave the party.

Phoenix is just that good and banner protects you from magic, both opponent and your own should you miscast.

[SpellArcher]

Agreed, to be honest a scroll could well be a better choice here.