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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:35 am 
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I have a Tourney coming up in a few weeks and thought I would try this list.

It is quite strong in all 3 phases of the game, weaknesses lack of musicians but I had to make sacrifices to squeeze in the Magic Item tricks, and yet still keep a large numbers of troops on the table.

Trying Lore of Shadow as Swordmaster is trialling Lore of Metal, both Lores have their Merits with this style of list. The Ring of Fury is in to help draw out Scrolls and for the extra ranged damage from Magic, as Shadow only has the Pit of Shades and buff/De-buff spells.

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Army general: Achmage Lvl 4 Book of Hoeth, Ring of Fury, Crown of Atrazar, Lore of Shadow

Heroes
BSB, Halberd, Heavy Armour, Charmed Shield, Reaver Bow, Potion Strength

Core 625
5 Ellyrian Reavers, Spears, Musician (light cavalry)
5 Silver Helms, Shields (medium cavalry)
2x 15 Lothern Seaguard, Full Command

Special 892
6 Dragon Prince (heavy cavalry)
5 Dragon Princes (heavy cavalry)
10 Swordmasters
10 Swordmasters
10 White Lions, Champion, Banner Eternal Flame
10 White Lions, Champion, Gleaming Pennant

Rare 520
2x 10 Sisters of Averlon
2x Eagles
2x Eagle Claw (RBT)


Total = 2500 (MSU Multiple Small units force)

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:53 am 
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It looks reasonable.

I'm not sure muso's matter than much in MSU. The sisters will be an interesting addition, huge potential but also vulnerable to being flank charged.

I hope the WLs are being paid extra for their role :)

I don't think much of the reaver bow, PoT idea. If its working for you then of course use it, but halberd, dragon armour, charmed shield and ruby ring is what i would use.

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Thanks for the rapid reply Rabidnid.

The Sisters in Combo with the RBT's/Seaguard should mess up Regen type troops. Sisters also deal nicely with Ethereals.

I haven't trialled the Bow/Potion of Strength combo much yet (1 game) but like the idea of it on paper.

3 Strength 8 Bow shots or 3 re-rollable Strength 8 Close Combat attacks if you pop the potion (giving the ability to wound high toughness monsters) or 3 Str5 Bow shots if you don't? more expensive than the Ruby Ring's D6 Str 4 hits.

Lol the White lions as you pointed out have their work cut out for them probably dieing in most games :D

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Eltherion wrote:
Thanks for the rapid reply Rabidnid.

The Sisters in Combo with the RBT's/Seaguard should mess up Regen type troops. Sisters also deal nicely with Ethereals.

I haven't trialled the Bow/Potion of Strength combo much yet (1 game) but like the idea of it on paper.

3 Strength 8 Bow shots or 3 re-rollable Strength 8 Close Combat attacks if you pop the potion (giving the ability to wound high toughness monsters) or 3 Str5 Bow shots if you don't? more expensive than the Ruby Ring's D6 Str 4 hits.

Lol the White lions are as you pointed out have their work cut out for them probably dieing in most games :D



At the moment I'm running beasts, so no shortage of high strength attacks.

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Ye I think the build you use is based on the army style.

I try not to get my BSB into combat as he is there to support the Leadership of the army with his re-rolls. so having a bow allows him to do something and maybe commit him to a close combat late in the game or if an opportunity arises..

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BSB with Reaver Bow and Potion of Strength is an excellent choice! I've fielded him vs Chaos (managed to kill my opponents Daemon Prince in two out of two games with support from a single bolt thrower) and Empire (very useful vs taking knights down to a more manageable size, again with the support of a bolt thrower or two). You can really pick one or two of your opponents units and make their lives miserable. The other way to field him would be tooled up in a cav bus, but if he's ever on foot then for me Reaver and Potion will always be my choice. (unless it gets errata'd of course)


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I will see how the Achmage performs I don't like investing so many points in a fragile character so the Book could be swapped out for a scroll for example.

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After playing a 2 day 5 game Tourney (3 wins 2 losses) I decided to tweak my list.

MSU Army (Swedish Comp Score 20.3 = Soft Army)

Lord 285
Army general: Achmage Lvl 4 Book of Hoeth, Crown of Atrazar, Lore of Metal

Heroes 151
BSB, Halberd, Heavy Armour, Charmed Shield, Reaver Bow, Potion Strength

Core 650
5 Ellyrian Reavers, Spears, Musician (light cavalry)
3 x 5 Silver Helms, Shields (medium cavalry)* dropped a seaguard unit
15 Lothern Seaguard, Full Command

Special 897
6 Dragon Prince (heavy cavalry)
5 Dragon Princes (heavy cavalry)
10 Swordmasters* dropped a unit of 10
15 White Lions, Champion, Banner Swiftness* changed the banner, boosted to 15
15 White Lions, Champion, Gleaming Pennant* boosted to 15

Rare 520
2x 10 Sisters of Averlon
2x Eagles
2x Eagle Claw (RBT)

Total = 2500 (MSU Multiple Small units force)

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New High Elf Book 16 : 1 : 5 Bargle Con II, 2nd Overall, Conviction 2nd Overall & Best Sportsman

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Eltherion wrote:
After playing a 2 day 5 game Tourney I decided to tweak my list.

Lord 285
Army general: Achmage Lvl 4 Book of Hoeth, Crown of Atrazar, Lore of Metal

Heroes 151
BSB, Halberd, Heavy Armour, Charmed Shield, Reaver Bow, Potion Strength

Core 650
5 Ellyrian Reavers, Spears, Musician (light cavalry)
3 x 5 Silver Helms, Shields (medium cavalry)* dropped a seaguard unit
15 Lothern Seaguard, Full Command

Special 897
6 Dragon Prince (heavy cavalry)
5 Dragon Princes (heavy cavalry)
10 Swordmasters* dropped a unit of 10
15 White Lions, Champion, Banner Swiftness* changed the banner, boosted to 15
15 White Lions, Champion, Gleaming Pennant* boosted to 15

Rare 520
2x 10 Sisters of Averlon
2x Eagles
2x Eagle Claw (RBT)

Total = 2500 (MSU Multiple Small units force)



Have you used the 5 SH? I'm thinking they will be a little soft to achieve much. i plan on mine being 7 or 8. someone suggested 5 with a champ to challenge nugle demon princes and still be steadfast later.

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"Have you used the 5 SH? I'm thinking they will be a little soft to achieve much. i plan on mine being 7 or 8. someone suggested 5 with a champ to challenge nurgle demon princes and still be steadfast later."

I would recommend 6 with a Champion if trying this Tactic because if you lose the champion you will remain Steadfast having 5 models left in the unit.

I used 1x 5 Silver Helms with shields in a recent tourney and they were really good.

Uses
1. Flanker
2. War Machine killing
3. Chaff clearing
4. Charging archers or similar

I like them better than the Ellyrian Reavers due to the 2+ armour save.

The re-rollable Strength 5 attacks will usually ensure 3 or more wounds and +1 for the charge.

Recent Tourney Achievements
Game 1. Did nothing but survived vs. Zombies in a fortress so not a real battle
Game 2. Killed unit of Mournfangs & unit of Leadbelchers and 3 Silver Helms survived. They flanked the Mournfangs with the help of an Eagle then overran into Leadbelcher units flank.
Game 3. Killed Wolf Riders x2 and a Squig Herd
Game 4. used as a re-director and died
Game 5. Killed an Eagle & Eagle Claw died to a RBT.

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Eltherion wrote:
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"Have you used the 5 SH? I'm thinking they will be a little soft to achieve much. i plan on mine being 7 or 8. someone suggested 5 with a champ to challenge nurgle demon princes and still be steadfast later."

I would recommend 6 with a Champion if trying this Tactic as if you lose the champion you will remain Steadfast.

I used 1x 5 Silver Helms with shields in a recent tourney and they were really good.

Uses
1. Flanker
2. War Machine killing
3. Chaff clearing
4. Charging archers or similar

I like them better than the Ellyrian Reavers due to the 2+ armour save.

The re-rollable Strength 5 attacks will usually ensure 3 or more wounds and +1 for the charge.


I was thinking much the same, but thought 7 would be more reliable, with FC to allow quick reforms, count in blood and glory and the extra lance hit can't hurt.

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I find with the speed of these guys wheeling is a preference rather than a quick reform.

Saving the 10-30 points by not having command means more bodies on the table for my MSU lists.

5 Silver Helms getting re-rolls to hit is the equivalent of 10 normal knights eg: Bretonnians.

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Eltherion wrote:
MSU Army (Swedish Comp Score 20.3 = Soft Army)


Are you sure? I may be counting wrong, but as far as I can count, your list is fairly hard: 9.7 swedish comp score. Just to make sure I'm not getting anything wrong (my numbers in green):

Eltherion wrote:
Generic shooting comp: 15 LSG + Reaver bow (counts as 5 models) + 2 RBTs (count as 10 models each) + 2 x 10 sisters = 60 > 50 : (10)

Lord 285 63 Comp score
Army general: Achmage Lvl 4 Book of Hoeth, Crown of Atrazar, Lore of Metal
Archmage (18) + Lvl 4 (15) + Book of Hoeth (30) + Lore of Metal (0) = 63

Heroes 151 16 Comp score
BSB, Halberd, Heavy Armour, Charmed Shield, Reaver Bow, Potion Strength
Noble (4) + BSB (10) + Reaver Bow (2) = 16

Core 650 24 Comp score
5 Ellyrian Reavers, Spears, Musician (light cavalry)
Ellyrian Reavers: first unit (3) = 3
3 x 5 Silver Helms, Shields (medium cavalry)* dropped a seaguard unit
5-6 Silver Helms with shields (5) x 3 = 15
15 Lothern Seaguard, Full Command
14-18 LSG (6) = 6

Special 897 46 Comp Score
6 Dragon Prince (heavy cavalry)
5 Dragon Princes (heavy cavalry)
Dragon Princes (10) x 2 = 20
10 Swordmasters* dropped a unit of 10
9-12 Swordmasters (6) = 6
15 White Lions, Champion, Banner Swiftness* changed the banner, boosted to 15
15 White Lions, Champion, Gleaming Pennant* boosted to 15
13-15 White Lions (10) x 2 = 20

Rare 520 44 Comp Score
2x 10 Sisters of Averlon
9-13 Sisters of avelorn (8) x 2 = 16
2x Eagles
First unit of 1 Eagle (5) + Second unit of 1 Eagle (9) = 14
2x Eagle Claw (RBT)
RBT (7) x 2 = 14

Total = 2500 (MSU Multiple Small units force) 203 Comp Score = 9.7

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I saw an army over the weekend at another tournament that did very well with sisters.

It was two big units - not sure about the size - maybe 15? with two bolt throwers.

The wizard was shadow as well.

I overheard him talking here and there as we were playing on tables near each other. He felt like they were the best unit in the whole game, but his list was completely tailored to make the most of them. I wish I had a copy of it. I don't think any unit was bigger than those units of sisters.

Anyway - I think shadow could definitely work very well for you.

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Ye I found the Sisters were pretty good in the last Tourney I was in they certainly contributed well to the damage output from shooting. Didn't do so well vs. Ogres however due to lack of turns to shoot them up.

2600 point list

Lord 285 -203 Swedish Comp 300 -203 = 9.7
Army general: Achmage Lvl 4 Book of Hoeth, Crown of Atrazar, Lore of Metal -63

Heroes 160
Battle Standard Bearer, Barded Elven Steed, Star-lance, Charmed Shield, Potion Foolhardiness, Dragon Armour 2+ AS, 6+ WS & ignore first hit.

Core 651 -24
5 Ellyrian Reavers, Spears (light cavalry) -3
5 Silver Helms, Shields (Medium Cavalry) -5
2x 6 Silver Helms, Shields , Champion (Medium Cavalry) -10
15 Archers, Banner -6

Special 899 -46
6 Dragon Princes, Banner of Eternal Flame (heavy cavalry) -10
5 Dragon Princes (heavy cavalry) -10
10 Swordmasters -6
15 White Lions, Champion, Banner Swiftness -10
15 White Lions, Champion, Gleaming Pennant -10

Rare 590 -51
2x 10 Sisters of Averlon -16
2x Eagles -14
3x Eagle Claw (RBT) -21

shooting over 50 -10
Total = 2585 (MSU Multiple Small units force)

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Any updates on your list Eltherion?

Trying to build a list for the Swedish Comp and am curious on ways to approach it.


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After reading your initial post I was thinking "hm...nope, if I ran a MSU style list this is pretty much the exact thing I'd bring...except probably 15 WL each and a unit of 10 SH and a unit of 6 SH. Then that is prety much what you changed to :lol: . Shadow is probably not nearly as good in MSU as other lores would be, but man do I love Shadow.

I too absolutely love sisters of avelorn. I think paired with RBT and archers/LSG in core with a shadow AM they can do some really nasty things. However I think 15+ units of sisters and Shadow pair more favorably with elite infantry based armies with more shooting core and less cavalry.

I think the last list you posted looks great. Although I just realized when this was posted so I guess I shouldn't have even posted on this...doh.


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Its ok guys this is a list that is evolving I haven't been on for a while but make take similar to some upcoming Tournies.

Tweaked for 2.5k Tourney.

Army B 9.9 under Swedish Comp

Lord 285
Army general: Achmage Lvl 4 Book of Hoeth, Crown of Atrazar, Lore of Metal -68

Heroes 160
Battle Standard Bearer, Barded Elven Steed, Star-lance, Charmed Shield, Potion Foolhardiness, Dragon Armour 2+ AS, 6+ WS & ignore first hit.

Core 634
6 Silver Helms, Shields, Champion, Muso (Medium Cavalry)
6 Silver Helms, Shields, Champion, Muso (Medium Cavalry)
6 Silver Helms, Shields, Champion, Muso (Medium Cavalry)
15 Archers, Banner

Special 915
5 Dragon Princes (heavy cavalry) 145
5 Dragon Princes (heavy cavalry) 145
10 Swordmasters, Banner 140
15 White Lions, Champion, Banner World Dragon 265
15 White Lions, Champion, Gleaming Pennant 220

Rare 506
1x 10 Sisters of Averlon
1 x 9 Sisters of Averlon
2x Eagles
2x Eagle Claw (RBT)

Total = 2500 (MSU Multiple Small units force)

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New High Elf Book 16 : 1 : 5 Bargle Con II, 2nd Overall, Conviction 2nd Overall & Best Sportsman

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Here is a sneak peak of a list for an up coming Tourney in 4 weeks.

High Elves 2400pts Swedish 16.0

Army wide
2nd Monster (-4)
Dispel Scroll (-7)

Lord 600
Prince, Star Dragon, Dragon Armor, Sword of Might, Enchanted Shield, Golden crown, Other Tricksters Shard 2+ AS, 2+ vs. First wound, 6+ WS. 2+ WS vs. Flaming (-40) Other tricksters good vs. Daemons and characters used by Star dragons hits as well.

Heroes 589
Dragon Mage, Level 2, Dragon Armour, Dispel Scroll, Gem of Sunfire, Charmed Shield 445 (-11)

Noble BSB, Barded Steed, Halberd, Shield, Dragon Armour, Dragonhelm, Luckstone, Potion of Foolhardiness 144 (-15)

Core 606 (-27)
6 Silver Helms, Shields, Champ, Musician 158 (-6)
6 Silver Helms, Shields, Champ, Musician 158 (-6)
12 Bowmen, Banner 130 (-5)
5 Ellyrian Reavers 80 (-4)
5 Ellyrian Reavers 80 (-6)

Special 239 (-10)
6 Dragon Princes, Full Command, Spell shield, Banner of Swiftness 239 (-10)

Rare 364 (-26)
RBT 70 (-7)
RBT 70 (-7)
8 Sisters of Avelorn 112 (-6)
8 Sisters of Avelorn 112 (-6)

2398 Points (-140 Comp points) = 16.0 (Blame this list on Swedish comp :D ).

All characters decked out to prevent Searing Dooms, some resistance to Cannonballs.

I am tempted to swap out the Spell Shield and Potion Foolhardiness as long as the Armies Comp isn't hit.

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Looks familiar :D. I included the Spellshield because it was a cheap and free (comp wise) way to add just that little bit extra protecting to my BSB from snipes. I've found both dragons quite easy to dodge death spells until I'm ready to engage but the BSB was singled out a few times.

I love the Princes kit! Going to pinch that and try that out for some games too I think. Best thing about our 2+ ward talisman is that its rare to lose it to regular BS shooting the same way as a Charmed shield. Allows me to fit back in the Gem of Sunfire that was the best thing about the Dragon Mage.

Let me know how you like the core. I found 18 shots boosted with Flaming Sword to be amazing at killing T5+ without armour things that are threatening my ranks.

I've also wanted to invest in more Sisters but it means I'd have to buy and paint more than I already have :P. Bolt throwers are better at range but can take beatings from other artillery and fast cav/flyers.

With the new Swedish pack my list is also a 16.0 but still some differences :P. Would be interesting to see them matched up!


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I have played 1 game with it and got an easy win vs. a Orc & Goblin army but the Greenskins had very little shooting and chaff which helped.

Ye I stole your Dragon Prince unit build not sure it is optimal but worth a try, it seems solid and may deter some spells.

I am still proxying archers to use as my Sisters :(

Ye interesting to see double Dragon vs. double Dragon.

Glass cannon is an under statement with this list, but being also MSU makes it hard to take points off with 3 targets that actually give up any points. Also the option of putting the BSb in with some Silver helms instead of the DP's.

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