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Author:  Eltherion [ Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:03 pm ]
Post subject:  2.5k Tourney List re-done

Here's the re jigged list after advice and checking this website.

I will be up against very hard lists with uber Special Characters.

I am reasonably happy with this list.

It has a reasonably good Magic Phase and this will support the Shooting Phase which is quite strong.
Combat wise 4 Hammer units and 2 fast expendables.

I have squeezed in most of the Magic items I wanted. I would have liked the War Banner & Skeinsliver, but can't have everything.

The mounted BSB has several options can either go with a DP unit or SM's depending on circumstances and Armies faced.

Unfortunately I will be up against hard lists so will struggle, however I will go down fighting and have fun doing it :)

Characters 834
Achmage lvl 4: Silver Wand, Scroll, Ring of Fury 330
Mage Level 2:Seer Staff, Scroll 185
Noble BSB, DA, Sh, Foe Bane, Helm of Fortune168
Noble GW, DA, Sh Reaver Bow, Gem of Courage 151 (I really like this guy, his bow is awesome and he can boost a foot unit in combat.)

Core 220
10 Archers
10 Archers

Special 1096
12 Swordmasters Full Command, Sb. Standard of Balance, Blade Lord: Talisman of Loec 265
Lion Chariot
Tiranoc chariot
6 Dragon Princes Champion Amulet of Light, Sb. Lion Standard 260
6 Dragon Princes Sb Banner of Sorcery 250
6 Shadow Warriors

Rare 350
RBT
RBT
RBT
Eagle

Total = 2500

9-11 Power dice, 1 bound item, 5 Dd, 2 scrolls

Author:  PGP [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2.5k Tourney List re-done

You cannot have GoC and RoF together with same char.

I'd make the list to following:

lvl4+BoTS+wand+scroll+(GoC)
lvl2+seer+scroll
lvl2+fury
BSB+DP-kit+Reaver Bow+ToL/GoC/enc.shield
2x10 archers
12-18 FC SM (or better lions) with balance banner (+ magic item for champ AoF/Skeinsilver/ToL/AoL etc)
6 DP with sb and sorcery banner
6 DP with sb and ellyrian banner ( maybe champ with AoL)
3xtiranocs
3xrbt
eagle

Author:  Eltherion [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2.5k Tourney List re-done

It was so nice to use the High Elves after 2 years of using Ogres.

Well I had 2 practice games with the above list (didn't realize there was a clash with Ring of Fury & Gem of Courage ooops!!!) Thanks for the advice will change this.

Feedback 2 practice games may do proper Battle reports later.

Game 1 vs Lizardmen
with Old Blood, 2x Kroxigors, Razerdons, Big Steg, 3 skink units, 2 Mages, and Flappy things with character
High Elves Solid Victory

Achmage Elrond wins man of the match Pit of Shading Carnosaur (failed test).

Game 2 vs Beastmen
with 2x Minotaurs, Cyclops, 2x Mage type things, 2 small skirmish units 3 big blocks 2 with uber characters
High Elves Win by Massacre

I was happy with the way this list played it was strong in the Magic & Shooty phases and with the Tiranoc & Budgey as re directors worked well. With SMs Lion Chariot and 2X DPS 4 hammer units, A double chariot charge worked well punching straight through a Minotaur unit.

Achmage Elrond Man of the match once again, with 3 Walls of Fire nice fried Beasts for lunch.

That being said the 2 lists I played were weak at long range missile fire & Magic (both had 2x Lvl 2's).

PGP
Thanks for the advice PGP but I dislike Lions even though I love the Models, I find they die all the time and don't throw out enough attacks. I am definitely keeping the Lion Chariot one of the few heavy hitters this list plus it causes fear. I really like the Bow on the Achmage because if my Magic Phase fails he is still can be useful in the shooting phase. I expect to face a a few VC's, hopefully not too many Demons and a few DE's.

Author:  SpellArcher [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2.5k Tourney List re-done

Eltherion wrote:
It was so nice to use the high Elves

Fixed! :)

Well played!

Author:  Eltherion [ Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2.5k Tourney List re-done

Okies I have tweaked the list above changes made in red.

2 less SM's for 1 extra DP. I tend to use the Sm's to baby sit the Archers and some of the War Machines.

I now have 3 of the 4 Hammer units Immune to Fear and Terror.

Swapped out the Banner of Ellyrion and found points for the Lion Standard. If my DP's are Wraith hunting I want them to get the charge and not stand there with egg on their faces.

I like the Shadow Warriors because they are good for hiding foot noble or Mage/Achmage in.

Do I swap out Musician from SM's to put Dragon Armour on the foot noble making him Immune to Fire & Breath and +1 to his AS?

Game 3 vs. 3k of Ogres practice game

I took Lore of Heavens and the unlimited range spells were good but didn't do much damage. Not sure if this would be that good a Lore to use in a Tourney, maybe vs DE's (with hotek)?

Anyway High Elves won by Massacre! the Ogres had a Tyrant with 4 wounds on him and a unit of 6 IG's let on the table.

I lost both Chariots, Shadow Warriors (killed by trappers lol, the Trappers also helped kill the Tyranoc), SM's & Bowmen.

Author:  pk-ng [ Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2.5k Tourney List re-done

i would probably drop 1 DP from the BoS group and get 2 more SMs as SM will probably get shot.

Author:  SpellArcher [ Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2.5k Tourney List re-done

Eltherion wrote:
I dislike Lions even though I love the Models, I find they die all the time and don't throw out enough attacks.

Lions are all about the Stubborn IMHO.

They are ultra-reliable and that lets you plan your other units around them.

Author:  Eltherion [ Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2.5k Tourney List re-done

Ye but with this list I don't need a stubborn unit that dies without inflicting much damage.

The SM's slice through most troops apart from Heavy Cavalry. I will be screening the SM's behind a unit of bows in most games using the ItP to my advantage.

Also the BSB can always attach to the SM's for extra combat.

Author:  SpellArcher [ Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2.5k Tourney List re-done

Eltherion wrote:
Ye but with this list I don't need a stubborn unit that dies without inflicting much damage.

Agreed it's all about the list. My list revolves around the ability of the Lions to laugh off flank charges and such. In other lists Swordmasters are just a better choice, depends what you're trying to do.

Author:  Eltherion [ Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2.5k Tourney List re-done

I am wondering if i can improve my character set ups?

Is the Bow of Seafarer worth it?

Author:  CrazyCarl [ Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:22 am ]
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Eltherion wrote:
I am wondering if i can improve my character set ups?

Is the Bow of Seafarer worth it?

I just tried out Bow of the Seafarer for the first time today on my Prince on Dragon instead of Vampbraces of Defense. I was pretty happy with it. I don't know how I would like it on a non-flier. The low BS of the Archmage would turn me off to it.

Author:  Eltherion [ Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2.5k Tourney List re-done

Well the Bow on my Achmage has the same BS as a normal RBT with slightly less range. The upside is the Mage can move and shoot & stand and shoot. The only way to take it on another character would be a Prince unfortunately.

It has been useful in the 5 games I used it, in the 5th game I tried without it and regretted not having it.

Results of this 2.5k list so far

Game 1 vs. Lizardmen, HE's win Solid Victory
Game 2 vs. BoC, HE's win by Massacre
Game 3 vs. 3k Ogres, HE's win by Massacre
Game 4 vs. DE's, HE's win Solid Victory
Game 5 vs. Skaven, draw 100pts in favor of HE's (used Radiant Gem Noble, instead of Bow on Achmage switched ring to Achmage)

Author:  SpellArcher [ Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2.5k Tourney List re-done

CrazyCarl wrote:
I don't know how I would like it on a non-flier

Eltherion wrote:
Well the Bow on my Achmage has the same BS as a normal RBT with slightly less range. The upside is the Mage can move and shoot & stand and shoot. The only way to take it on another character would be a Prince unfortunately.

I find it Ok on a chariot Prince. Reaver kills more because people hide their monsters from Seafarer if they can. One advantage of the Prince is he's a lot happier to stand and shoot than an Archmage would be.

Author:  Eltherion [ Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2.5k Tourney List re-done

My other option is drop Bow of Seafarer and give Ring of Fury and scroll to Achmage.

Then tank up BSB for Combat with the Star lance maybe?

BSB kitted as DP with Star Lance, Enchanted Shield 1+ AS
BSB kitted as DP with Banner of World Dragon
BSB DA, Sh, Helm of Fortune, Foe Bane
BSB DA, Enchanted Shield, Loremaster's Cloak

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