White Lions!

[Keith]

Hey guys, its been a while since I posted here, but i have been working on a white lion army....


Not sure the points are 100 percent correct, aiming for 2250. Not looking for super competitive, but something solid and fun.


Lord, Gryphon, Dragon Armor, Gaurdian phoenix, lance (modeled as a spear), reaver bow.
lvl 2 annulian crystal, dispel scroll
lvl 2 dispel scroll
18 spearelves FC
18 spearelves FC
white lion chariot
white lion chariot
14 white lions, full command, lion standard, gem of courage
5 dragon princes (modeled on lions) FC, Banner of Ellyrion, amulet of light.
3 bolt throwers.

[Musashi]

Annulian Crystal is 40, Dispel Scroll is 20.

[Keith]

ah, right, will move the second scroll to the other wizard.

[garythewargamer]

One of our core units can get a 25 point banner. Banner of lion courage works and makes you ignore fear and terror. There are a lot of fear causing units out there.

give the white lions the banner of arcane protection. That works for me, although I understand what you are trying to accomplish by putting it there.

It would be nice to have an eagle or shadow warriors as distraction, march blocking or war machine hunting.

[Keith]

Yeah, have tossed around those ideas, and actually recently picked up some shadow warriors... They are certainly and option I am going to try.


I play vamps all the time. I know i could put the lion standard on any of the units... I just like it on the white lions for fluff reasons.

[Rumor]

Speaking of Lion std and White Lions, if the WL are beaten by outnumbering fear causers do they need snake eyes to stay? or does their stubborn allow them to ignore that rule and test on normal leadership? We have played it as they need snake eyes so I normally take that banner on them as well since they normally get sent after the big nasties in my games.

[geoguswrek]

snake eyes.
thats why you need the lion standard or balance on them.

[Keith]

That is the toughest thing about our army... We are made to be an MSU army, BUT it is hard to get Immune to psych compared to other armies. The problem right now is that the best army books are complete fear causing armies!!

[PapaElf]

That is the toughest thing about our army... We are made to be an MSU army, BUT it is hard to get Immune to psych compared to other armies. The problem right now is that the best army books are complete fear causing armies!!

This is the reason one sees, so many lists with Phoenix Guard (immune to fear) as the main battle unit, as opposed to Spears or other elite infantry. White Lions have not yet returned to their glory days of 5th edition. Stubborn is not unbreakable, they are still tough 3, with a 5+ save, and have minimum attacks. Stubborn 8 is nothing to write home about and unfortunately no stubborn heros, outside of Korhil are available.

The White Lions were the elites, that I built my first 7th Edition lists around. I discovered that they just don't hang in without going to exorbitant expense and increase their model count.

[Keith]

Hey guys, its been a while since I posted here, but i have been working on a white lion army....


Not sure the points are 100 percent correct, aiming for 2250. Not looking for super competitive, but something solid and fun.


Lord, Gryphon, Dragon Armor, Gaurdian phoenix, lance (modeled as a spear), reaver bow.
lvl 2 annulian crystal, dispel scroll
lvl 2 dispel scroll
18 spearelves FC
18 spearelves FC
white lion chariot
white lion chariot
14 white lions, full command, lion standard, gem of courage
5 dragon princes (modeled on lions) FC, Banner of Ellyrion, amulet of light.
3 bolt throwers.

So I have been making some changes to wok on this one and came up with the two following lists.

Lord on a griffon, helm of fortune, guardian phoenix, lance, dragon armor, reaver bow
lvl 2, annulian crystal
lvl 2, silver wand, 2x dispel scroll
17 spear elves, FC
17 spear elves, FC, Lion standard.
14 white lions, full command, standard of balance, gem of courage.
5 "lion princes", FC, Banner of ellyrion, amulet of light.
2 bolt throwers
Eagle
Korhil on lion chariot.

The thought here is that i have two stubborn immune to fear units and a terror causer and another unit immune to fear.



Second list, with no special characters.

Lord on a griffon, reaver bow, DA, sheild, lance, Guardian phoenix, helm of fortune, talisman of loec
lvl 2, silver wand, 2x dispel scroll
lvl 2, ring of corin
noble, bsb, greatweapon, gem of hoeth

17 spear elves, FC
17 spear elves, FC
lion chariot
5 "lion" princes, FC, banner of sorcery, amulet of light
13 white lions, FC, Gem of courage, lion standard.
2 bolt throwers
eagle

I have about 10 points left in this one, i was thinking about changing the gem of hoeth a bound 2d6 magic missile, and save 5 points then throw a 14th white lion back in the unit.

[SpellArcher]

Surely with Stubborn troops the BSB is key? With it you're looking at 1-in-9 which I would trust for a while. Lions don't need characters in the unit, they don't need numbers like PG do and they don't need missile protection like Swordmasters.

Keith I much prefer the last list to the others. Firstly for the reason given above. Secondly you have some magic, I didn't get the Lvl2 upgrades in the first two lists.

[Musashi]

The BSB is the key to many combats, for us moreso than for many other armies.

[Keith]

Yes, I agree. I have strongly been leaning that way, though I have been working on assembling painting my warriors of chaos for now. After that I think i will have enough practice paint my high elves.

But I have been considering running the noble in a unit of spears, just making sure that he is withing 12 inches of the white lions. Perhaps using the extra 15 points to put the banner of ellyrion on one of the spear elf units...

[SpellArcher]

Lions with Balance, within 12" of Spears with Lion Std+BSB makes an awful lot of sense to me.

You also don't have to tie your game to them. The may win, they may go down slowly. If the latter though you've held up the enemy's uber-unit for ages, depleted it and you've not lost a 500-600pt unit that'll lose you the game. That's if you're not able to flank the enemy first. The Lions of course laugh off flank charges.

[Keith]

I do like having the banner of sorcery though... it makes the army much better inho. So losing fear immunity on the spears is something i am willing to let go for a much stronger magic phase.

[SpellArcher]

I remember running Cult of Slaanesh with a 7-die plus 1-shot bound magic phase and achieving precisely nothing. It needs to be more. Seems very logical, given how easily we generate power dice.

[RiTides Nids]

This disucssion was very helpful

I'd like to see if you make any more changes, or go with the last list you posted!

Where are you hiding your mages? Are they going with some of the units, or hiding on their own?

[Keith]

Well, i haven't played this particular list yet. I just got a griffon in and have started building some of the parts I need. I will certainly update after some play testing.


As far as my mages, i generally haven't had that much trouble with them in spear-elf units. Though depending on the spells they have, I have no problem hiding them either.